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it has alot to do with it. here's my pee-wee WR with almost no agility but a ton of speed: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=344231&pbp_id=4604645

Well, Bort did say that it did. Maybe you should ask him if he's a liar?

Originally posted by rmiller517
it has alot to do with it. here's my pee-wee WR with almost no agility but a ton of speed: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=344231&pbp_id=4604645

All screens are like that.

Their have been tests with players running on the KOS where their distances were measured and the only correlation was speed, agility did not have any correlation.

It has nothing to do with it, it only affests how much speed you loose when changing direction. Check out my level 17 HB with 94 speed and 37 agility repeatedly outrun level 30+ defenders:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321524&pbp_id=3186354
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321524&pbp_id=3181861
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321524&pbp_id=3182432
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321500&pbp_id=3941753
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321500&pbp_id=3937880

edit: whatever. im wrong. bort is wrong.

Originally posted by rmiller517
edit: whatever. im wrong. bort is wrong.

Well actually Bort is wrong. Straight line acceleration has been repeatedly tested by comparing players' position frame by frame on kickoff and agility was found to have no discernible effect on acceleration.

Does agility have anything to do with how quickly the HB gets to full speed?
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If you want to trust Bort, yes. If you want to trust "tests" done by users, then no.

Originally posted by Viscount
It has nothing to do with it, it only affests how much speed you loose when changing direction. Check out my level 17 HB with 94 speed and 37 agility repeatedly outrun level 30+ defenders:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321524&pbp_id=3186354
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321524&pbp_id=3181861
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321524&pbp_id=3182432
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321500&pbp_id=3941753
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321500&pbp_id=3937880

So then agility means nothing? Isn't a player always moving in a straight line (be it north-south, east-west, or diagonal)?

Originally posted by Viscount
It has nothing to do with it, it only affests how much speed you loose when changing direction. Check out my level 17 HB with 94 speed and 37 agility repeatedly outrun level 30+ defenders:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321524&pbp_id=3186354
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321524&pbp_id=3181861
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321524&pbp_id=3182432
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321500&pbp_id=3941753
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321500&pbp_id=3937880

I would expect a player with 94 speed to be much faster tbh

Originally posted by taz20075
Originally posted by Viscount

It has nothing to do with it, it only affests how much speed you loose when changing direction. Check out my level 17 HB with 94 speed and 37 agility repeatedly outrun level 30+ defenders:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321524&pbp_id=3186354
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321524&pbp_id=3181861
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321524&pbp_id=3182432
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321500&pbp_id=3941753
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321500&pbp_id=3937880

So then agility means nothing? Isn't a player always moving in a straight line (be it north-south, east-west, or diagonal)?

I'm not saying agility means nothing. We know that despite the replays GLB is actually played in 3D, so just say for instance that endzone to endzone is the x-axis and sideline to sideline is the y-axis. When a player runs straight along the x-axis agility has no effect, but if there's any deviation along the y-axis however slight, agility will affect how much speed you lose. So if you're running diagonally agility has an effect.

Originally posted by Viscount
Originally posted by taz20075

Originally posted by Viscount


It has nothing to do with it, it only affests how much speed you loose when changing direction. Check out my level 17 HB with 94 speed and 37 agility repeatedly outrun level 30+ defenders:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321524&pbp_id=3186354
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321524&pbp_id=3181861
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321524&pbp_id=3182432
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321500&pbp_id=3941753
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321500&pbp_id=3937880

So then agility means nothing? Isn't a player always moving in a straight line (be it north-south, east-west, or diagonal)?

I'm not saying agility means nothing. We know that despite the replays GLB is actually played in 3D, so just say for instance that endzone to endzone is the x-axis and sideline to sideline is the y-axis. When a player runs straight along the x-axis agility has no effect, but if there's any deviation along the y-axis however slight, agility will affect how much speed you lose. So if you're running diagonally agility has an effect.

If agility were as important as it's made out to be, then I'd expect you to be caught trying to turn the corner 8/10 times by guys that are +13 lvls on you.

Originally posted by ssaints4ever
Originally posted by Viscount

It has nothing to do with it, it only affests how much speed you loose when changing direction. Check out my level 17 HB with 94 speed and 37 agility repeatedly outrun level 30+ defenders:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321524&pbp_id=3186354
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321524&pbp_id=3181861
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321524&pbp_id=3182432
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321500&pbp_id=3941753
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321500&pbp_id=3937880

I would expect a player with 94 speed to be much faster tbh

Well he does only have 20 stamina and plays games on Normal, anyway he doesn't look any slower than my HB with 95 speed and 67 agility (his build's open):

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=300599&pbp_id=1962964
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=300599&pbp_id=1958392

Originally posted by Viscount
Originally posted by ssaints4ever

Originally posted by Viscount


It has nothing to do with it, it only affests how much speed you loose when changing direction. Check out my level 17 HB with 94 speed and 37 agility repeatedly outrun level 30+ defenders:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321524&pbp_id=3186354
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321524&pbp_id=3181861
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321524&pbp_id=3182432
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321500&pbp_id=3941753
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321500&pbp_id=3937880

I would expect a player with 94 speed to be much faster tbh

Well he does only have 20 stamina and plays games on Normal, anyway he doesn't look any slower than my HB with 95 speed and 67 agility (his build's open):

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=300599&pbp_id=1962964
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=300599&pbp_id=1958392

So what would you say the difference between the two is?

Originally posted by Viscount
It has nothing to do with it, it only affests how much speed you loose when changing direction. Check out my level 17 HB with 94 speed and 37 agility repeatedly outrun level 30+ defenders:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321524&pbp_id=3186354
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321524&pbp_id=3181861
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321524&pbp_id=3182432
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321500&pbp_id=3941753
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=321500&pbp_id=3937880

To be fair in those first 3 replays the HB beats an equal level 17 FS to the corner in each. In #2 he also beats a horribly built RILB with only 37 speed. The last 2 are pretty impressive though and there is the significant level difference between the SS in #4 and the CB in #5

I'm going to have to disagree on the acceleration factor. This season I've been testing a lot of different combinations of speed and agility gear on my HB and I've been using kickoffs to measure acceleration as it isn't always clear on plays coming out of the backfield with all the factors involved.

Unfortunately in the 2 games in question we never kicked off first so there is a small stamina impact that you must consider, but it actually goes to help the cause that agility aids in acceleration. My HB is on the far right side in each of these replays.

1) 83 Speed, 79 Agility (During first drive was in 3 plays, with 2 carries; then the following kickoff occured):
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=351939&pbp_id=3443537
13 ticks = pass 25 yrd line
25 ticks = pass 30 yrd line
37 ticks = pass 35 yrd line
49 ticks = pass 40 yrd line
61 ticks = pass 45 yrd line

2) 95 Speed, 67 Agility (During first drive was in 1 play, with 0 carries; then the following kickoff occured):
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=353004&pbp_id=4260254
15 ticks = pass 25 yrd line
26 ticks = pass 30 yrd line
37 ticks = pass 35 yrd line
48 ticks = pass 40 yrd line
59 ticks = pass 45 yrd line

That is with +12 agility, -12 speed that I am seeing acceleration move me faster over the first 10 yards or so. Eventually at the 15 yard mark my HB with speed equip begins to surpass the version with agility equip on. If you take away the 2 extra plays and 2 carries from the agility equipped back he may get another tick or 2 on the speed back depending on how much stamina impacted attributes