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Started Celtic last season....and have been carefully building him...making sure to be wise with my SP allocating....

My plan is to try and turn him into a Steve Smith type WR...not just speed but very good possesion reciever as well.

He's my first WR..so any legitimate advice will be considered.

Thanks.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=879770

train confidence with stamina ASAP.

agility and catching to 2nd cap.

Thanks

Originally posted by RobertRJS
train confidence with stamina ASAP.

agility and catching to 2nd cap.

asap? I don't think it's that big of a deal. My WR has similar stamina and ends games in the upper 60's for energy.

The problem is, for a Steve Smith type... he's pretty slow. He's a really good possession receiver, though, and I'd honestly just stick with that at this point. He could use some more points in speed regardless, though, and I'd probably work on getting my Catching/Agility to 68 each, and dump a few points into Route Run. I'd also change your CE to the speedster tree, since only the first two skills in the possession tree are worth having points in. Anybody with enough agility can reap some of the benefits of Head Fake and Juke, though.

Originally posted by Blamo
Originally posted by RobertRJS

train confidence with stamina ASAP.

agility and catching to 2nd cap.

asap? I don't think it's that big of a deal. My WR has similar stamina and ends games in the upper 60's for energy.

The problem is, for a Steve Smith type... he's pretty slow. He's a really good possession receiver, though, and I'd honestly just stick with that at this point. He could use some more points in speed regardless, though, and I'd probably work on getting my Catching/Agility to 68 each, and dump a few points into Route Run. I'd also change your CE to the speedster tree, since only the first two skills in the possession tree are worth having points in. Anybody with enough agility can reap some of the benefits of Head Fake and Juke, though.

Ya but look at his level. he is doing great for his level. he will have the speed and agility by level 32 to be a freaking monster.

Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by Blamo

Originally posted by RobertRJS


train confidence with stamina ASAP.

agility and catching to 2nd cap.

asap? I don't think it's that big of a deal. My WR has similar stamina and ends games in the upper 60's for energy.

The problem is, for a Steve Smith type... he's pretty slow. He's a really good possession receiver, though, and I'd honestly just stick with that at this point. He could use some more points in speed regardless, though, and I'd probably work on getting my Catching/Agility to 68 each, and dump a few points into Route Run. I'd also change your CE to the speedster tree, since only the first two skills in the possession tree are worth having points in. Anybody with enough agility can reap some of the benefits of Head Fake and Juke, though.

Ya but look at his level. he is doing great for his level. he will have the speed and agility by level 32 to be a freaking monster.

Meh, even if he dumps some points into speed now, he'll probably be sitting at around 90 speed at level 32. Average. It is impressive that he's got so many secondary stats up to the softcap so fast, but if anything I think that hurts him long term, because now he has a lot less to gain from training. IMO the best way to build a WR right now is to get speed as high as you want it (3rd cap minimum for anything but possession types), get agility to 68, and get catching to 68. Only then would I heavily invest SP into secondary stats. Long term your secondary stats won't suffer too much, and you'll have much higher numbers in your primaries.


edit: Don't get me wrong, though, I do like the build. I'd get speed to the 60 cap and see how you feel about your speed then. If you want to pursue the Steve Smith mold a bit more, I'd take it to 68. Otherwise I'd just keep working on agility, catching and jumping in that order while training your carrying. A few points in Route Run should go a long way, too. If you stick to that mold, you'd end up as a pretty beastly possession guy, and you'd hardly ever get deflected.

Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by Blamo

Originally posted by RobertRJS


train confidence with stamina ASAP.

agility and catching to 2nd cap.

asap? I don't think it's that big of a deal. My WR has similar stamina and ends games in the upper 60's for energy.

The problem is, for a Steve Smith type... he's pretty slow. He's a really good possession receiver, though, and I'd honestly just stick with that at this point. He could use some more points in speed regardless, though, and I'd probably work on getting my Catching/Agility to 68 each, and dump a few points into Route Run. I'd also change your CE to the speedster tree, since only the first two skills in the possession tree are worth having points in. Anybody with enough agility can reap some of the benefits of Head Fake and Juke, though.

Ya but look at his level. he is doing great for his level. he will have the speed and agility by level 32 to be a freaking monster.

Thats kind of the direction I was headed in anyways....but Im not opposed to a possesion reciever at all.

I think if I can get his speed and agility up....keep his jumping and catching high....and refrain from putting anything into SA's..by 32 he should be a fairly effective reciever.

Originally posted by Blamo
Originally posted by UnderDogs

Originally posted by Blamo


Originally posted by RobertRJS



train confidence with stamina ASAP.

agility and catching to 2nd cap.

asap? I don't think it's that big of a deal. My WR has similar stamina and ends games in the upper 60's for energy.

The problem is, for a Steve Smith type... he's pretty slow. He's a really good possession receiver, though, and I'd honestly just stick with that at this point. He could use some more points in speed regardless, though, and I'd probably work on getting my Catching/Agility to 68 each, and dump a few points into Route Run. I'd also change your CE to the speedster tree, since only the first two skills in the possession tree are worth having points in. Anybody with enough agility can reap some of the benefits of Head Fake and Juke, though.

Ya but look at his level. he is doing great for his level. he will have the speed and agility by level 32 to be a freaking monster.

Meh, even if he dumps some points into speed now, he'll probably be sitting at around 90 speed at level 32. Average. It is impressive that he's got so many secondary stats up to the softcap so fast, but if anything I think that hurts him long term, because now he has a lot less to gain from training. IMO the best way to build a WR right now is to get speed as high as you want it (3rd cap minimum for anything but possession types), get agility to 68, and get catching to 68. Only then would I heavily invest SP into secondary stats. Long term your secondary stats won't suffer too much, and you'll have much higher numbers in your primaries.


My plan was to continue to train my confidence and stamina to soft cap...my stamina isnt as much an issue, because I am currently 3rd on the depth chart.

I want to keep my speed/agility/vision within a reasonable ratio....so...I cant see myself ever getting above mid nines for speed....

Originally posted by Blamo
Originally posted by UnderDogs

Originally posted by Blamo


Originally posted by RobertRJS



train confidence with stamina ASAP.

agility and catching to 2nd cap.

asap? I don't think it's that big of a deal. My WR has similar stamina and ends games in the upper 60's for energy.

The problem is, for a Steve Smith type... he's pretty slow. He's a really good possession receiver, though, and I'd honestly just stick with that at this point. He could use some more points in speed regardless, though, and I'd probably work on getting my Catching/Agility to 68 each, and dump a few points into Route Run. I'd also change your CE to the speedster tree, since only the first two skills in the possession tree are worth having points in. Anybody with enough agility can reap some of the benefits of Head Fake and Juke, though.

Ya but look at his level. he is doing great for his level. he will have the speed and agility by level 32 to be a freaking monster.

Meh, even if he dumps some points into speed now, he'll probably be sitting at around 90 speed at level 32. Average. It is impressive that he's got so many secondary stats up to the softcap so fast, but if anything I think that hurts him long term, because now he has a lot less to gain from training. IMO the best way to build a WR right now is to get speed as high as you want it (3rd cap minimum for anything but possession types), get agility to 68, and get catching to 68. Only then would I heavily invest SP into secondary stats. Long term your secondary stats won't suffer too much, and you'll have much higher numbers in your primaries.


edit: Don't get me wrong, though, I do like the build. I'd get speed to the 60 cap and see how you feel about your speed then. If you want to pursue the Steve Smith mold a bit more, I'd take it to 68. Otherwise I'd just keep working on agility, catching and jumping in that order while training your carrying. A few points in Route Run should go a long way, too. If you stick to that mold, you'd end up as a pretty beastly possession guy, and you'd hardly ever get deflected.

Thanks...didnt take your advice negative at all....and like I said...Id rather really be a "FAST" possesion reciever....

Does anyone believe strength is anything worth training at all?

don't worry about what people say about fast receivers anymore. 100 speed receivers are slowly becoming irrelevant. Bort has added so many more factors into getting them the ball. Like str for a quarterback. (a lot of 90-100 speed receivers coming back for the ball) Speed receivers with low vision have problems catching because they blur in there own speed. I would take your receiver at that level right now, over any level 32 with 100 speed. That's the honest to god's truth. your receiver would be a lot better at level 32 than any other with 100 speed. by level 32 you could have about mid 80's speed with equipment and about 58-60 agility if you brought them up together. It's a good receiver. That's the way to do it. and while the receivers with 100 speed are scrounging for sp's to cap everything else like you have, you can slowly work your way up to 100 ( if so desired) but I really don't think 100 speed is necessary. I have watched many 70 speed receivers with good build have great success in AAA. maybe for the Pro's you might want more speed, but you can always work on it to get Pro speed and not have to worry about all those other attributes. All in All an excellently well planned out build, who will probably become a lethal weapon for some team lucky enough you sign with. SO sign with the Canton Bulldogs

Originally posted by UnderDogs
don't worry about what people say about fast receivers anymore. 100 speed receivers are slowly becoming irrelevant. Bort has added so many more factors into getting them the ball. Like str for a quarterback. (a lot of 90-100 speed receivers coming back for the ball) Speed receivers with low vision have problems catching because they blur in there own speed. I would take your receiver at that level right now, over any level 32 with 100 speed. That's the honest to god's truth. your receiver would be a lot better at level 32 than any other with 100 speed. by level 32 you could have about mid 80's speed with equipment and about 58-60 agility if you brought them up together. It's a good receiver. That's the way to do it. and while the receivers with 100 speed are scrounging for sp's to cap everything else like you have, you can slowly work your way up to 100 ( if so desired) but I really don't think 100 speed is necessary. I have watched many 70 speed receivers with good build have great success in AAA. maybe for the Pro's you might want more speed, but you can always work on it to get Pro speed and not have to worry about all those other attributes. All in All an excellently well planned out build, who will probably become a lethal weapon for some team lucky enough you sign with. SO sign with the Canton Bulldogs

scrounging for sp? Are you serious? Did you not read the part of my post where I said that long term, investing heavily into speed wont hurt your secondary stats? Or are you just ignorant? His build is good, but a well-build speed receiver should be able to hit level 32 with just under 100 speed, 68 agility, 60 catching, with around 40 vision and jumping. I'd hardly call that "scrounging for sp". Sure, the vision and jumping aren't quite there... but the difference in speed and agility is pretty big. Even more so when you consider that at level 40 that same receiver will be pushing 105 speed with 70+ agility, 68+ catching, 50+ jumping, and softcapped vision. Worrying about getting your highest ability up later in a players career is terrible, TERRIBLE advice to try and give.

Depends on what you're raising instead.
Receivers get pretty much nothing for automatic level gains.

Though I'd probably raise speed then catching another cap.

Originally posted by Blamo
Originally posted by UnderDogs

don't worry about what people say about fast receivers anymore. 100 speed receivers are slowly becoming irrelevant. Bort has added so many more factors into getting them the ball. Like str for a quarterback. (a lot of 90-100 speed receivers coming back for the ball) Speed receivers with low vision have problems catching because they blur in there own speed. I would take your receiver at that level right now, over any level 32 with 100 speed. That's the honest to god's truth. your receiver would be a lot better at level 32 than any other with 100 speed. by level 32 you could have about mid 80's speed with equipment and about 58-60 agility if you brought them up together. It's a good receiver. That's the way to do it. and while the receivers with 100 speed are scrounging for sp's to cap everything else like you have, you can slowly work your way up to 100 ( if so desired) but I really don't think 100 speed is necessary. I have watched many 70 speed receivers with good build have great success in AAA. maybe for the Pro's you might want more speed, but you can always work on it to get Pro speed and not have to worry about all those other attributes. All in All an excellently well planned out build, who will probably become a lethal weapon for some team lucky enough you sign with. SO sign with the Canton Bulldogs

scrounging for sp? Are you serious? Did you not read the part of my post where I said that long term, investing heavily into speed wont hurt your secondary stats? Or are you just ignorant? His build is good, but a well-build speed receiver should be able to hit level 32 with just under 100 speed, 68 agility, 60 catching, with around 40 vision and jumping. I'd hardly call that "scrounging for sp". Sure, the vision and jumping aren't quite there... but the difference in speed and agility is pretty big. Even more so when you consider that at level 40 that same receiver will be pushing 105 speed with 70+ agility, 68+ catching, 50+ jumping, and softcapped vision. Worrying about getting your highest ability up later in a players career is terrible, TERRIBLE advice to try and give.

no I really didn't read anything you said after I saw you said 90 speed is average. You're just another speed junkie. you will soon find out it doesn't work as well anymore. there is also nothing wrong with working on speed later to get your minors capped, which he has obviously done. and it looks like it will pay off. No reason to o.m.f.g speed anymore. The more the game evolves the less guys like you make sense anymore. Get mad all you want because you're still on the G.L.B. speed train. I am stating facts from what I have seen in the SIM. you are merely spouting GLB forum B.S.

Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by Blamo

Originally posted by UnderDogs


don't worry about what people say about fast receivers anymore. 100 speed receivers are slowly becoming irrelevant. Bort has added so many more factors into getting them the ball. Like str for a quarterback. (a lot of 90-100 speed receivers coming back for the ball) Speed receivers with low vision have problems catching because they blur in there own speed. I would take your receiver at that level right now, over any level 32 with 100 speed. That's the honest to god's truth. your receiver would be a lot better at level 32 than any other with 100 speed. by level 32 you could have about mid 80's speed with equipment and about 58-60 agility if you brought them up together. It's a good receiver. That's the way to do it. and while the receivers with 100 speed are scrounging for sp's to cap everything else like you have, you can slowly work your way up to 100 ( if so desired) but I really don't think 100 speed is necessary. I have watched many 70 speed receivers with good build have great success in AAA. maybe for the Pro's you might want more speed, but you can always work on it to get Pro speed and not have to worry about all those other attributes. All in All an excellently well planned out build, who will probably become a lethal weapon for some team lucky enough you sign with. SO sign with the Canton Bulldogs

scrounging for sp? Are you serious? Did you not read the part of my post where I said that long term, investing heavily into speed wont hurt your secondary stats? Or are you just ignorant? His build is good, but a well-build speed receiver should be able to hit level 32 with just under 100 speed, 68 agility, 60 catching, with around 40 vision and jumping. I'd hardly call that "scrounging for sp". Sure, the vision and jumping aren't quite there... but the difference in speed and agility is pretty big. Even more so when you consider that at level 40 that same receiver will be pushing 105 speed with 70+ agility, 68+ catching, 50+ jumping, and softcapped vision. Worrying about getting your highest ability up later in a players career is terrible, TERRIBLE advice to try and give.

no I really didn't read anything you said after I saw you said 90 speed is average. You're just another speed junkie. you will soon find out it doesn't work as well anymore. there is also nothing wrong with working on speed later to get your minors capped, which he has obviously done. and it looks like it will pay off. No reason to o.m.f.g speed anymore. The more the game evolves the less guys like you make sense anymore. Get mad all you want because you're still on the G.L.B. speed train. I am stating facts from what I have seen in the SIM. you are merely spouting GLB forum B.S.

Okay, so you're ignorant. That's fine. Hell, even if you want to talk about "realism" in GLB, speed is the one attribute where even in the NFL everyone OMG WTFs speed. It's the one position where a lot of things will be overlooked if you have blazing speed.

And there's WRONG with getting your minors capped early, but it sure as hell isn't effective. I'll have more speed and similar minors as we both reach higher levels. I'm going to be getting a lot more out of my training gains than he will. Which means that at higher levels, we'll have pretty comparable numbers in our minor attributes, but I'll be faster. So, you tell me why I'm the one spouting BS?

listen here you idiot. I am in no way bashing speed. Speed works. I have seen it work. I have also seen it fail miserably. GET oFF IT like you're the first person ever to think speed for wide receivers was great. GET OFF IT. EVERYONE knows speed works you tool. NOW will his build work? I would like to see it. WE ALL KNOW SPEED BUILD works fairly well. idiot. But it would be nice to see a build that doesn't get goose egged in the sim sometimes. you idiot. and no your minors won't be anywhere near his sorry.

which is why i offered up advice besides speed speed speed . He is going a different route. ISN"T IT OBVIOUS?