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DennisValet
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For anyone who ever doubted vision- watch my safety break off his man and towards to intended receiver BEFORE the ball is thrown. Hooray vision *dance*

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=352850&pbp_id=2762989
 
Underdawg08
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No one doubts vision, on the defense. where do YOU GET OFF!!!
 
Zarkoviyx
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how much vision do you have?
 
Hitmang
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Nice play
 
DennisValet
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Only 60 vision; 8 in super vision....he doesn't do amazing plays like that all the time- but it's one of the first times I can say I legitimately without a doubt saw where vision comes into effect :-X
 
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http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=271910&pbp_id=7036790 this was last season, but I have always liked this play.
 
Viscount
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Originally posted by DennisValet
For anyone who ever doubted vision- watch my safety break off his man and towards to intended receiver BEFORE the ball is thrown. Hooray vision *dance*

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=352850&pbp_id=2762989


I'm not saying that it's not due to vision, but you have no way of knowing if that play was definitely due to vision especially since as you said yourself your SS doesn't usually make plays like that. Also, the FS despite being on the other side of the field reacts the same time as your SS. They react when the QB pulls his arm back.
 
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Originally posted by Viscount
Originally posted by DennisValet

For anyone who ever doubted vision- watch my safety break off his man and towards to intended receiver BEFORE the ball is thrown. Hooray vision *dance*

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=352850&pbp_id=2762989


I'm not saying that it's not due to vision, but you have no way of knowing if that play was definitely due to vision especially since as you said yourself your SS doesn't usually make plays like that. Also, the FS despite being on the other side of the field reacts the same time as your SS. They react when the QB pulls his arm back.


For one the F.S. didn't do anything of the such until after the throw went by him, then he reacted. For 2 That's definitely vision working for that S.S. and he has every way of knowing, because quite frankly, WHAT else could it be? think about it.
 
DennisValet
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Originally posted by Viscount

I'm not saying that it's not due to vision, but you have no way of knowing if that play was definitely due to vision especially since as you said yourself your SS doesn't usually make plays like that. Also, the FS despite being on the other side of the field reacts the same time as your SS. They react when the QB pulls his arm back.


Oh, so his confidence made him feel the QB's arm go back? Listen to what you're saying man
 
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Originally posted by DennisValet
Originally posted by Viscount


I'm not saying that it's not due to vision, but you have no way of knowing if that play was definitely due to vision especially since as you said yourself your SS doesn't usually make plays like that. Also, the FS despite being on the other side of the field reacts the same time as your SS. They react when the QB pulls his arm back.


Oh, so his confidence made him feel the QB's arm go back? Listen to what you're saying man


Well they do react to the arm. Sometimes they get faked out and stuff. But your S.S.'s vision was good enough to not be faked and see where the throw was going before the Q.B. threw it. It really was a good read.
 
DennisValet
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Originally posted by UnderDogs
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Well they do react to the arm. Sometimes they get faked out and stuff. But your S.S.'s vision was good enough to not be faked and see where the throw was going before the Q.B. threw it. It really was a good read.


Yes, I agree- it was a lucky roll where I read the play. I was simply pointing out how ridiculous his explanation sounded :-X
 
Viscount
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Originally posted by DennisValet
Originally posted by UnderDogs

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Well they do react to the arm. Sometimes they get faked out and stuff. But your S.S.'s vision was good enough to not be faked and see where the throw was going before the Q.B. threw it. It really was a good read.


Yes, I agree- it was a lucky roll where I read the play. I was simply pointing out how ridiculous his explanation sounded :-X


Did you properly read and understand what I wrote?

I did not say that your INT had nothing to do vision, what I said was that we have no way of being 100% sure that you made that play because of vision. Vision and Superior Vision give you a flat bonus they're not like some chance SAs, so if they were the sole reason for your SS making that play, would he not do it more often?

Only your SS and the FS immediately reacted to the play, I'd imagine that the CBs on your team also have high vision yet they didn't react to the pass.... Perhaps the main reason your SS and the FS reacted was more to do with the fact that they were in zone coverage whereas everyone else was in man coverage.

Bort has stated that defenders get their swat/INT roll before WRs get their catch roll. So the fact the pass was going to your zone could've allowed your SS to react to it, his speed, agility and possibly vision got him in the right position and then your agility, jumping, Sticky Hands, etc. allowed you to make the INT.

I'm not saying my theory is definitely correct, but you can't specifically say that the reason you made that INT was due to vision.

Take this CB for example: http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=26673
He had 9 INTs in USA Pro last season but I can't say that the only reason he got those INTs is because he had soft capped catching, or that it was just because he has 11 Superior Vision. There are so many underlying possible factors.
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PackMan97
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Here is a good play to highlight vision....

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=352158&pbp_id=3192461

My FS reacts about two frames quicker than the SS (who is also in zone coverage). FWIW - he reacts the instant the QB cocks the ball to make the pass.
 
Viscount
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Originally posted by PackMan97
Here is a good play to highlight vision....

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=352158&pbp_id=3192461

My FS reacts about two frames quicker than the SS (who is also in zone coverage). FWIW - he reacts the instant the QB cocks the ball to make the pass.


You don't have to say exactly how much vision your FS has, but how much more vision and Superior Vision does he have than the SS?
 
DennisValet
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VIscount, you are completely misunderstanding the mechanics of the game. Everything is a formula. When the QB goes to throw the ball, all these numbers are thrown into a formula.

The defenders vision, the quarterbacks throwing, the QB's confidence- whatever- and it spits out a % chance for each event to occur. Say the defender has 60 vision and the QB has 90 throwing and whatever the hell else goes into seeing if the DB can read the QB.....it could come up with "95% of the time the defender will not read the QB before the ball is thrown, 5% of the time he will" This happened to be that 5%

You simply CAN NOT in this game make a player or a situation where something will happen 100% of the time. There is "always" a chance that what will happen is not what you intended with your build. All you can do is maximize the chance of your preferred outcome occurring. So maybe with my combination of vision and all the QB's I face I only have a SLIM chance of something like that happening- which would explain why I rarely see it, but on this play, it happened.

Why did the FS and other defenders not react the same way even tho they could have had higher vision? Because the roll of the dice didn't come up the same way it did for me. It's not a game of absolutes where getting your stats to one level will automatically make event "a' occur every time.
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