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Sorry, I didn't see another thread on this.

I see bort is adding to the OL abilities to reduce the number of sacks.

His quote on cutting DE performance was:
"I guess we'll find out. Quite a bit from what I can tell so far, but 100 sacks in a season is pretty dumb right now. I'd rather see it down to really amazing guys getting 20-30 instead."

I know this is all just assumption now, but do you all think STR is going to become MUCH more necessary?

I think either a lot more strength or 95 speed/80 agility instead of 85 speed/70 agility.

There wont be any super scores with 100 sacks, I still think it will be viable.

Well, the only 100 sack seasons are those with CPUs anyways. You wont see 100 sacks from pure even-leveled opponents. You can certainly get a lot, but most are from beating on CPUs.

The solution is improving CPUs to at least be competitive with DEs, so you don't get 20 sack games regularly...

I doubt DEs will be getting as many sacks, but I do think they will still be having a MAJOR impact: teams will be keeping their TE in to block, etc. The DE's will be really limiting what offenses can do which will impact the overall defensive performance rather than the sack total.

Originally posted by DLight03
Well, the only 100 sack seasons are those with CPUs anyways. You wont see 100 sacks from pure even-leveled opponents. You can certainly get a lot, but most are from beating on CPUs.

The solution is improving CPUs to at least be competitive with DEs, so you don't get 20 sack games regularly...

This statement is false...This guy is playing in the SAPro and had 200 sacks. This is the reason he is nerfing DEs. http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=164305

Originally posted by SLammers
Originally posted by DLight03

Well, the only 100 sack seasons are those with CPUs anyways. You wont see 100 sacks from pure even-leveled opponents. You can certainly get a lot, but most are from beating on CPUs.

The solution is improving CPUs to at least be competitive with DEs, so you don't get 20 sack games regularly...

This statement is false...This guy is playing in the SAPro and had 200 sacks. This is the reason he is nerfing DEs. http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=164305

He got 111 sacks in three games. DEs definitely needed to be toned down a bit as no one could stop the best DEs, but just because someone's in a pro league doesn't mean they're always playing top competition.

DEs ARE NOT GETTING NERFED. Builds shouldn't change. Just different play packages and blocking assignments are being fixed.

Sacks should go down across the board.

Yeah, think I actually agree with anti for once, DEs aren't the issue, just the O-line will be working better on blocking packages. Just means the D co-ordinators will have to get more inventive to get us our stats.

I agree with Slammers, the problem wasn't that DEs were getting a ton of sacks against CPU players, but that even 60+ agility tackles were getting burned easily like they weren't even there because they were basically backing up too far off the snap. Now instead of jumping backwards as far as possible they'll merely step back and set up to block, at least that's what I'm hoping. Now the speed DEs will have to go around a tackle, a la Dwight Freeney, rather than just taking a straight run at the QB right under the tackle's nose.

Originally posted by SLammers
Originally posted by DLight03

Well, the only 100 sack seasons are those with CPUs anyways. You wont see 100 sacks from pure even-leveled opponents. You can certainly get a lot, but most are from beating on CPUs.

The solution is improving CPUs to at least be competitive with DEs, so you don't get 20 sack games regularly...

This statement is false...This guy is playing in the SAPro and had 200 sacks. This is the reason he is nerfing DEs. http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=164305

Uh... actually, that statement is correct.

In fact, the example you gave me is more to my point, and not at all to yours.

The extreme amount of his sacks came from games against CPUs, or teams vastly under his level.

I'm sure he's a good DE without that, but that is exactly my point. The inflated numbers come against CPUs.

You should perhaps look at game logs next time, because you proved exactly my point.

Originally posted by AnTiNiNjA
DEs ARE NOT GETTING NERFED. Builds shouldn't change. Just different play packages and blocking assignments are being fixed.

Sacks should go down across the board.

Yup, and I think this is the logical approach, too.

If a player has a real speedy DE with no strength, the ability to decide whether you run left or run right can be a great beneficiary. I think that's going to make a huge impact this season in wearing down speedy DEs. I also think the ability to leave a TE back to block more is also a great addition.

I think these are the best ways to reduce major sack numbers, while still not making it impossible for the lower-tiered sackers to produce (since teams probably wont leave a TE back to block all the time against a weaker-sack opponent, but will against a better one).

Originally posted by Darren McFadden
I agree with Slammers, the problem wasn't that DEs were getting a ton of sacks against CPU players, but that even 60+ agility tackles were getting burned easily like they weren't even there because they were basically backing up too far off the snap. Now instead of jumping backwards as far as possible they'll merely step back and set up to block, at least that's what I'm hoping. Now the speed DEs will have to go around a tackle, a la Dwight Freeney, rather than just taking a straight run at the QB right under the tackle's nose.

This isn't really correct either.

Before a nerf was made late last season, DEs had to go "around" the tackles.

In fact, many speed DEs were complaining because their DEs would no longer take the "around" route, which they liked more.

If it's a return to going "around" the tackle, I don't think any speed DEs will be complaining, whether it adversely impacts their numbers or not. That's how I'm sure most would prefer it.

If it's a pathing issue, which is what Bort seems to be saying, the sacks where the end actually engages the OT shouldn't change. I don't know anything about what changes were or weren't made seasons ago, but I guess we only have to wait a few more days anyway to find out how things are going to go. I'm definitely excited, I know there should at least be some hope of stopping certain DEs now where there didn't really seem to be last season.

Everyone is complaining before they see the changes. No use in complaining until we see what the changes do and if there is something to complain about, exactly what that should be.


The problem now is that there are serious flaws with the blocking schemes.

C, LG, RG, and HB quadruple teaming a NT against a 3-4 front.

RG trying to pick up ROLB on blitzes.

RG doubling down on a NT too quickly rather than protecting his spot on the field.


Many sacks are coming because players are going against CPUs. There are also many sacks that are the result of poorly designed blocking schemes.

Originally posted by DLight03
Originally posted by SLammers

Originally posted by DLight03


Well, the only 100 sack seasons are those with CPUs anyways. You wont see 100 sacks from pure even-leveled opponents. You can certainly get a lot, but most are from beating on CPUs.

The solution is improving CPUs to at least be competitive with DEs, so you don't get 20 sack games regularly...

This statement is false...This guy is playing in the SAPro and had 200 sacks. This is the reason he is nerfing DEs. http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=164305

Uh... actually, that statement is correct.

In fact, the example you gave me is more to my point, and not at all to yours.

The extreme amount of his sacks came from games against CPUs, or teams vastly under his level.

I'm sure he's a good DE without that, but that is exactly my point. The inflated numbers come against CPUs.

You should perhaps look at game logs next time, because you proved exactly my point.

Originally posted by AnTiNiNjA

DEs ARE NOT GETTING NERFED. Builds shouldn't change. Just different play packages and blocking assignments are being fixed.

Sacks should go down across the board.

Yup, and I think this is the logical approach, too.

If a player has a real speedy DE with no strength, the ability to decide whether you run left or run right can be a great beneficiary. I think that's going to make a huge impact this season in wearing down speedy DEs. I also think the ability to leave a TE back to block more is also a great addition.

I think these are the best ways to reduce major sack numbers, while still not making it impossible for the lower-tiered sackers to produce (since teams probably wont leave a TE back to block all the time against a weaker-sack opponent, but will against a better one).

Uhhh...I am a GM of one of the team he plays against. the dude got 40 sacks against the other 7 playoff teams in SAPL. That was the point...not the 60 in one game. Uhhh...