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I'm about to cap my Vision and wanted to know what would be more important to focus on in order to be successful now. I hear a lot of people say that Strength is more important because it allows you to throw the ball further down the field, but I'm tossing it pretty far as it stands now...

What have your experiences with this been?

I would def. go with Conf. It looks like you are slow building your guy. If you go with throwing where it is, and you are soft capping vision now, I would say 3-2 ratio conf./strength. Unless going with the one stat at a time. Then like I said, conf. first.

Strength helps with interception prevention as well as how far you throw it, confidence helps you recover from mistakes, like interceptions, sacks and incompletions as well as helps you while being hurried.

You can't really go wrong with either, but I wouldn't ignore the other one completely.

It depends on your team. Good QB builds are built around what their team gives them. If your O-line sucks and you're getting sacked to hell then you'll want to cap confidence. Strength is good if you have fast WRs and are given enough time to throw by your O-line.

Since you're in the d-leagues I'd say confidence is the safer choice though because you don't know what team you'll land on in the offseason.

Originally posted by Ilok
Strength helps with interception prevention as well as how far you throw it, confidence helps you recover from mistakes, like interceptions, sacks and incompletions as well as helps you while being hurried.

You can't really go wrong with either, but I wouldn't ignore the other one completely.

I have seen you and others post over and over about confidence....why? There is no proof of it really doing what you say. I know of 4 QBs with about the same build and condidence has taken the back seat with all 4 and mine is the worse QB of the 4. I am a lvl 34 and really not even close to the soft cap and I split time. If you want to make the same build as everyone else, soft cap it and see how much it helps, none. Strength is a lot more important then confidence. PM me and I will send you the links to all 4 players.

Originally posted by winchester
Originally posted by Ilok

Strength helps with interception prevention as well as how far you throw it, confidence helps you recover from mistakes, like interceptions, sacks and incompletions as well as helps you while being hurried.

You can't really go wrong with either, but I wouldn't ignore the other one completely.

I have seen you and others post over and over about confidence....why? There is no proof of it really doing what you say. I know of 4 QBs with about the same build and condidence has taken the back seat with all 4 and mine is the worse QB of the 4. I am a lvl 34 and really not even close to the soft cap and I split time. If you want to make the same build as everyone else, soft cap it and see how much it helps, none. Strength is a lot more important then confidence. PM me and I will send you the links to all 4 players.




Bort has already stated plenty of times that Confidence decreases the amount of moral hit you take. Are you saying there is no moral hit when you are sacked or throw an interception or incompletion? As for confidence playing a role in being hurried, I can really give you the data that supports this as the people that gave me their build told me not to give it to anyone, but those with confidence over the first soft cap seemed to complete more passes while being hurried. The ones that didn't soft cap confidence threw all their interceptions while being hurried. If it was a few isolated cases, I would put it in as being coincidence, but I saw a pattern.

Yes, you can be a good QB without confidence, that is why I call it a secondary attribute, but QBs with low confidence are very dependent on their team just being flat out better than the competition.

And as for your great QB, take away 3 games in which you threw for 29 TDs against gutted teams, you have a 23 to 6 TD to interception ratio, which is pretty bad this season. That's not even counting the 4 Tds you threw in a 141-0 win or 4 TDs you threw in a 152-0 win.

Look at the 8 competitive games against real teams. You threw 6 Tds and 6 Ints. Wow impressive. Lets look at it more closely. You had a 58% completion rating in those games. You were also sacked 13 times in those games. If you paid attention to confidence I think you would of performed better in those games, instead of completely sucked.

Wrong against non gutted teams I am 14 tds and 6 picks. Five of the games were won by less then 7 and low scoring. The same game my backup had 8 tds and 5 picks against playoff teams. Going 22 and 11 and getting sacked a grand total 19 times I really do not see your point about confidence. The top 9 teams in our league are very close to each other.

Bort has said a ton of things that are not true over the 5 seasons I have been playing. What he said is that confidence is one of the most underated things that players were not getting. Everyone then ran out and started getting confidence thinking it would help.

14 TDs and 6 picks still stinks and if any playoff team allows 8 TDs, it really shows the strength of your league.

I'll say it again. If you want your QB to be better in games that actually matter, raise your confidence. What could it hurt? You can't really get too much worse than 14 TDs and 6 picks.

No you did not count 2 games you counted soemthing else, it is 14 TDS and 6 picks over the games you are talking about. Funny thing is we have only lost 2 games all season. These numbers are split time numbers. The total is 22 and 11. Four of those were in our first game this season after WINNING the championship and moving up. It did teach us something, can not do what you did the season before. I just looked over it and I am not going to spend all night doing it, but you have 14/3 vs the top 8 teams in a week B league where you qb is one of the highest LVL guys there. I am sure we also have twice the yards in a league where we are lower LVLs then most. Confidence is not that important, and not even close to throwing, strength, and SAs.

i didn't get my information off my QB. I know he is barely into his "real" career as a QB. I get most of my information from other QBs and out of everyone I talked to, no one has ever said confidence does not mattter. On the contrary most says it might be one of the most important attributes. Regardless, I don't have very high confidence compared to other builds and as evidence of last game, I probably should soft cap it.

The games I'm counting as real games are:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=149001

you threw 1 TD 2 Ints

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=148983

you threw 2 TDs 2 Ints

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=148961

you threw 1 Td 0 Ints

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=148935

you threw 1 Td

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=149034

you threw 2 Tds

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=148978

1 int

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=149026

1 int

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=149033

1 Td

Now that I'm really paying attention counting, math has never been my strongest subject, it's 8 Tds 6 ints.

All other games were blow outs, and if any of those teams actually made it to the playoffs it just shows the strength of your league.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=1220
I was counting the game VS this team, not a gutted team.

The QBs in all of the games you talk about are 12 td and 10 INT that we played....so I guess the no conidence wins we are 16 TD and 11int. All of these teams are 48-51 with very few players under LVL 30. 4 of them do not even have a starter under 32, hell or a backup that plays under LVL 32.

Just curious, but does anyone here recommend taking confidence to the 60.x cap?

I know some people who have and some people that has kept it at the first soft cap. I think it comes down to preference and how big of a part you think confidence plays in your performance.

To put some more emphasis on my original point I'll expand the question a bit. If I wanted to be competitive now in a capped league would it be more beneficial to switch to Strength immediatley after I hit the first Vision cap or should I put all of my equipment upgrades into STR and continue to push Vision up to the 2nd soft cap?

I'm tempted to bring Throwing up to the 3rd cap after that as well. Is it worth neglecting secondary skill sets to max out primary ones early on in a player's career?

I can't help but feel if I get my QB up to 80+ Throwing before he is level 20 I could either have a superstar or a one trick pony on my hands by the middle of his career.

I know no one agreas with me, but I would like QBs to have the same amount of strenght and throwing. Let say you get throwing to 75, than you should have strenght at 75 and Vision should be next with around 60 and confidence at 50. That should put you at lvl 34,35 ish. Put equipment at the skill you will have most points in.