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Sykonaut
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I'll have 10 points by tommorow afternoon. Should I soft cap Strength?

What should I do next, if I softcap strength?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=930616
 
s4c
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to many sa's! STOP! softcap str, then split it between agilty and vis.
 
Billy Corman
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Leave SA's til later ... like Level 20.

I bought into them at an early level when I started this game. I did it on my Center and DE. As a result, I will be retiring my 19 Center at year's end and have gone to great lengths to straighten out my DE.
 
Billy Corman
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Rethink using your equipment on STAMINA later on. It will be better served on a primary attribute, like STRENGTH.
 
Sykonaut
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I put them in the start, because I didn't know. I haven't touched them since.
 
FatLoad
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A DT has three primary skills, strength, agility, and stamina. Work strength and agility each up to 68 natural. You can do this by pumping strength until it reaches 68 and training on intense with stamina and agility. Then pump agility while training stamina and speed. Then pump stamina up to 48, picking another combination such as vision and confidence to train. Once you have gotten stamina up to 48, then you can start pumping the SA's while training vision, confidence, jumping, and maybe catching.

I deliberately ignored tackling this whole time. The automatic amount you get from each level up should be sufficient. All of those other skills, specifically strength, agility, and vision will more than make up for anything might get out of putting points into tackling.

I would follow this plan regardless of whether you are a nose tackle or normal DT. The only change I might make would be to only reach the second cap in strength before moving to agility, then moving back to strength. The reason I wouldn't do this is because I might get some more value out of training agility higher before putting more assignable skill points into it. The other consideration I might make between nose tackle and other DT would be where to put the equipment. For a nose tackle I would put the equipment into strength, while a DT I would put the points into agility.
 
Barnsie
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The post above isn't all that bad, but I can't see how you ignore speed. It's important.
 
FatLoad
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Originally posted by Barnsie
The post above isn't all that bad, but I can't see how you ignore speed. It's important.


Tackles are stuck in the middle, so they play in traffic and the traffic doesn't move very quickly. I suggest training speed and maybe putting a few assignable points only after you are finished with strength and agility. The value you get from speed does not compare to the value you get from more strength and more agility. I don't ignore speed. I just don't put the emphasis on it as I do stamina, strength, or agility.

A DT's job is to make a mess in the middle of the field. Strength and agility allow this to happen. It is only after this job is done that speed would matter. A DT is typicallly playing against strong centers and guards, positions that traditionally have high strength and high blocking. This is an arms war. Whoever has the biggest guns is likely to win.
 
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http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=180374&pbp_id=3028460 is why I think speed is important. If you break through quickly, the QB just runs and runs and runs.
 
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Originally posted by FatLoad
Originally posted by Barnsie

The post above isn't all that bad, but I can't see how you ignore speed. It's important.


Tackles are stuck in the middle, so they play in traffic and the traffic doesn't move very quickly. I suggest training speed and maybe putting a few assignable points only after you are finished with strength and agility. The value you get from speed does not compare to the value you get from more strength and more agility. I don't ignore speed. I just don't put the emphasis on it as I do stamina, strength, or agility.

A DT's job is to make a mess in the middle of the field. Strength and agility allow this to happen. It is only after this job is done that speed would matter. A DT is typicallly playing against strong centers and guards, positions that traditionally have high strength and high blocking. This is an arms war. Whoever has the biggest guns is likely to win.


Edit: I guess we'll just say there are different opinions on that.
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boomer82
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Agility, agility and moar agilty.
 
FatLoad
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Originally posted by Barnsie
Edit: I guess we'll just say there are different opinions on that.

So how would you fit it in? How much do you need? Do you build it before or after you build up stamina, strength, agility, or anything else.

Nothing wrong with having an opinion but you don't provide any reasoning behind it or how it fits in. You stated it is important, but you don't state how important. It's not reasonable to bring every skill up to high levels so what do you sacrifice to raise speed more than I have suggested?
 
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Originally posted by Motiak
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=180374&pbp_id=3028460 is why I think speed is important. If you break through quickly, the QB just runs and runs and runs.


Right, but what abilities allowed that player to get through to be able to even hurry the QB? Would the player still have been able to get through if they spent less on strength or agility or stamina? If that player had raised their speed it would have had to come at the expense of some other attribute and that play would not have happened that way.

I agree that speed is important. But I laid out what I thought was a reasonable plan and people say there is a problem but don't provide a solution.

There is nothing wrong with disagreeing. I encourage that. But please provide some logic on how to change it. It's real easy to say you disagree with something. I could post that in every single thread on the board but it doesn't help anyone.
 
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I don't think stamina is as important as you make it sound. If you have quality depth at the position then stamina really isn't a huge deal. I'd thus replace the points you'd put into stamina with points into speed.
 
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I thought he did help. He said speed.
 
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