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Ok guys, need your help. Here is my level 20 reciever. He is getting a ton of yardage and awesome TD's but I'm dropping nearly 5 balls a game. What's up??
Player Attributes
Physical Attributes Football Skills
Strength: 10
Blocking: 9
Speed: 68.39
Tackling: 8
Agility: 51.23
Throwing: 8
Jumping: 30.28
Catching: 32.86
Stamina: 34.28
Carrying: 25.5
Vision: 27.28
Kicking: 8
Confidence: 27.03
Punting: 8

Special Abilities
Possession Receiver Abilities
2
3
0
0
0
Speedster Abilities
2
2
1
1
1

catching + some vision?

Catching and agility IMHO.

It is no secret that catching and carrying help the receiver catch the ball and then put the ball away to complete the catching 'motion'

There's a good chance I might just go insane trying to figure this shit out. It seems like every "therory" is different. I think that I'll probably put 2 to 3 points per level into catching and then spread the remaining around to carrying, vison and strength for the next few levels and see what happens.

catching
jumping and/or vision
carrying

likely in that order.

I would also talk with you QB to see what he has his throwing tacts on. A bullet is more prob to drop than a duck. Not recommending to have him change any settings, but may give you another element to consider.

My WR sufferred from slippery hands much through last year, however after plugging some more skill points (50 Catching) it has improved considerably. Every so often he'll have a game of 1 or 2 drops and then back to 0 drops for a few games, however at one point last year it was 4-5 drops a game. It can be ridiculously frustrating.

My suggestion is this: Increase his catching to at least 40 and see what happens. I think we can all agree that there is no definite answer to most of the player build/skills questions we have as only the one they call Bort would know. We all learn best from first hand experience and experiments....so I say experiment.

Originally posted by Vader
There's a good chance I might just go insane trying to figure this shit out. It seems like every "therory" is different. I think that I'll probably put 2 to 3 points per level into catching and then spread the remaining around to carrying, vison and strength for the next few levels and see what happens.

Theories differ based on what a player is trying to accomplish. A Speed WR who is going to suffer from Borts coding on long passes and drop 50% of them due to game mechanics isn't going to see a bunch of improvement from high catching. Your guy is fairly balanced and therefore should have catching soft capped at the very least. The minor stats, vision, jumping, confidence, carrying, etc. are debatable because there isn't a consensus on them. Most people who plug a minor stat swear by that minor stat, mainly because they saw an improvement when plugging it. If one guy plugs jumping, one guy plugs vision and one guy plugs confidence and they all see tangible returns they are going to support the one that contributed to their improvement. As long as you spend points in a major/minor skill you'll get a benefit.

Originally posted by Mob-6
Originally posted by Vader

There's a good chance I might just go insane trying to figure this shit out. It seems like every "therory" is different. I think that I'll probably put 2 to 3 points per level into catching and then spread the remaining around to carrying, vison and strength for the next few levels and see what happens.

Theories differ based on what a player is trying to accomplish. A Speed WR who is going to suffer from Borts coding on long passes and drop 50% of them due to game mechanics isn't going to see a bunch of improvement from high catching. Your guy is fairly balanced and therefore should have catching soft capped at the very least. The minor stats, vision, jumping, confidence, carrying, etc. are debatable because there isn't a consensus on them. Most people who plug a minor stat swear by that minor stat, mainly because they saw an improvement when plugging it. If one guy plugs jumping, one guy plugs vision and one guy plugs confidence and they all see tangible returns they are going to support the one that contributed to their improvement. As long as you spend points in a major/minor skill you'll get a benefit.

But Bort stated, after the new training system came out that carrying was a very important part of the catching equation. Which is why some HB had less drops that others. The FACT that Bort has stated these is not debatable and that moves them from the realm of theory, in my opinion.

Bort wanted the training system to be more of a 'guide' to building players, which is why the intensive combination of catching and carrying is there.

The fact there isn't a consensus isn't from lack of information via Bort. The information is there. It is just the personal rating system of others that are debatable.

Jumping helps increase the radius of a player, vision is part of the 'he can catch' equation (as said by Bort), confidence is a modifier of base attributes and carrying is part of the 'put it away' equation. So jumping and vision puts the receiver in a position to make more and easier catches but carrying is the main attribute involved in putting the ball away and thus stopping drops. Catching is used in the initial 'he can catch' equation but the second check involves a greater percentage of carrying. Still the amount needed in carrying is not huge in comparison to a receivers main attributes.

I'm not sure where you got the information regarding speed receivers, as I have not heard that.

You can't take anything Bort said and use it as fact because it is all open to interpretation!!!??? His comments are vague and can support either side of an argument. You use his comment on carrying in support of carrying by attaching the word "important" to it. Bort never said carrying was "important." If carrying only comes into play when you are getting hit in the process of catching, that doesn't sound very important now does it?

If the training system is a guide for how Bort wants us to build players, how does that guide work? I don't see any info that says not to train intense strength/blocking on my WR, does that mean I am supposed to train that combo. How can you infer that carrying/catching is not meant for HBs and not WRs?

Please point me and the rest of the community to all these answers Bort has put out there because a significant portion of us must be missing the postings.

please for the love of god dont put points into carry. that many drops its probably your QBs fault or your team is only throwing long bombs.

Originally posted by Mob-6
You can't take anything Bort said and use it as fact because it is all open to interpretation!!!???

Really? You can't take ANYTHING Bort said???

Do you really believe that?

Originally posted by Mob-6
If carrying only comes into play when you are getting hit in the process of catching, that doesn't sound very important now does it?


As most drops occur during 'contact' between dots..... I wonder what would stop that from happening....

Originally posted by Mob-6

If the training system is a guide for how Bort wants us to build players, how does that guide work? I don't see any info that says not to train intense strength/blocking on my WR, does that mean I am supposed to train that combo. How can you infer that carrying/catching is not meant for HBs and not WRs?

Ummmm? I wonder what intensive training system would help a receiver catch the ball? Sled Drills or Precision Catching Drills....ummmm?

Originally posted by knudlen
please for the love of god dont put points into carry. that many drops its probably your QBs fault or your team is only throwing long bombs.

Who said anything about putting points in to it. Training would be sufficient.

sure go ahead train carrying. at 30+. doing it earlier is a waste.

Originally posted by Vawn
Originally posted by Mob-6

You can't take anything Bort said and use it as fact because it is all open to interpretation!!!???

Really? You can't take ANYTHING Bort said???

Do you really believe that?

Originally posted by Mob-6

If carrying only comes into play when you are getting hit in the process of catching, that doesn't sound very important now does it?


As most drops occur during 'contact' between dots..... I wonder what would stop that from happening....

Originally posted by Mob-6


If the training system is a guide for how Bort wants us to build players, how does that guide work? I don't see any info that says not to train intense strength/blocking on my WR, does that mean I am supposed to train that combo. How can you infer that carrying/catching is not meant for HBs and not WRs?

Ummmm? I wonder what intensive training system would help a receiver catch the ball? Sled Drills or Precision Catching Drills....ummmm?

Originally posted by knudlen

please for the love of god dont put points into carry. that many drops its probably your QBs fault or your team is only throwing long bombs.

Who said anything about putting points in to it. Training would be sufficient.



Answering questions with questions...If your post were food, it would be marshmallow fluff. More content please.