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How important do you think vision is for DTs (especially NTs)?

I am only wondering as my lvl 34 NT has over 80 STR, 50 speed, 60 agil, 50 tackling and he keeps getting handled by those damn interior linemen. I just had a game where a lvl 29 C somehow was able to contain him 1 on 1.

My vision is only in the low 30s and I'm thinking that's gotta be the key to breaking away. I'm just about out of thoughts on what will make him better.

That level 29 center probably had 15-20 points of strength on you....

Originally posted by tautology
That level 29 center probably had 15-20 points of strength on you....

It wouldnt matter if he did. My level 26 DT had 91 strength, 60+ agility and 48 speed yet he doesnt have a sack or hurry this season, Bort needs to nerf Olineman or increase the effect of DT's SA's.

BigCheese
what do you put the tactics on? I'd set everything to power & run focus.
what is your blocking at? I'd train this to about 20-25+. Do not waste SPs on it.
what is your stamina at? might be wearing down towards the end of the game? 30-35
what is your confidence at? might be too low? 20-25
what SAs do you have?

You have the meat but you might be missing the bun. Honestly for your level your strength and agility seem quite low. You might have to put SP into those to make up lost time. It is a hard thing to answer when you can not see your build.

Unless I've been playing against some shitty linemen this is the best season my DT has had. Plus I am starting this season where the previous seasons I've been backup. Most of the linemen I've been beating a couple plays a game are at my level or above.
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JBrown5390 for your level 26 DT train vision to 30 & jumping on intense. Your vision is really low for your level. Jumping might get you diving tackles and a PD if you are lucky. After training that train blocking to 25. I would say put some points into Wall and Break Thru later on.

Originally posted by JBrown5390
Originally posted by tautology

That level 29 center probably had 15-20 points of strength on you....

It wouldnt matter if he did. My level 26 DT had 91 strength, 60+ agility and 48 speed yet he doesnt have a sack or hurry this season, Bort needs to nerf Olineman or increase the effect of DT's SA's.




We should start a topic in the forums for this, get everyone on here involved, just like the DE did for their rushing.

Originally posted by BigCheese
How important do you think vision is for DTs (especially NTs)?

I am only wondering as my lvl 34 NT has over 80 STR, 50 speed, 60 agil, 50 tackling and he keeps getting handled by those damn interior linemen. I just had a game where a lvl 29 C somehow was able to contain him 1 on 1.

My vision is only in the low 30s and I'm thinking that's gotta be the key to breaking away. I'm just about out of thoughts on what will make him better.

Well hey BC. You don't think it's the SA? I think you remember how my NT did in Season 3, it was unbelievable. My stats were about the same as Big 'N Mean's and somehow I managed to do better than him. This is a hard one to figure out because nothing is clear. Could be height and weight? I don't know. Throughout Season 3 I was puzzled on how why a NT was racking stats but when someone of equal stats did, they barely did anything. And when my NT was moved to DT, there really wasn't a big difference.

My stats are about the same as yours BC, 90+ STR though and Run Stuffer only SA. I remember my NT running down like 10 yards to make the tackle. I didn't know which stat could take the credit, I thought it was Vision, until a teammate had a little more Vision but when I looked at the PbP he was slow getting off the offensive lineman and my NT didn't.

Dunno if that makes any sense!

Here's my stats. I set myself to stop the run and pass rush is combo. I play on normal intensity, wrap-up tackling and aggressive commercial endorsements. We also play a 4-3 defense.

Physical Attributes.... Football Skills
Strength: 86.76......... Blocking: 18.32
Speed: 50.63............ Tackling: 51.82
Agility: 63.52............... Throwing: 8
Jumping: 16.27.......... Catching: 7
Stamina: 43.01.......... Carrying: 8
Vision: 33.63................ Kicking: 9
Confidence: 30.62...... Punting: 9

SA's
24120
45334

Like I said, it doesn't make sense that I'm getting stuffed at the LOS. I'm not expecting a lot of sacks and hurries, I'm a lvl 34 NT (was a DT) and I expect double teams and such. It's the 1 on 1 that takes me out that doesn't make sense especially by a lvl 29 C.

I know it's not all about STR and if that C has got over 100 STR (which would be the 15-20 pts on me from the earlier post) then the rest of his stats have to be poor to get that and I should own him on quickness and agility.

It just seems to me that the blocking attribute of OL just overrides a lot of what DTs (especially NTs) have for attributes.

I know the NT isn't supposed to be a glory position, but I refuse to accept that it's nothing more than a blocking dummy. In the NFL (which they try and emulate here), NTs make a good number of plays every game. Here, it's a surprise if a DT or NT makes 1 of those plays a game.

Sure I can get my agility to 70, but that's higher than most of the RBs, WRs and DBs out there and should that be a prerequisite to be a successful NT when most OL at this level are lucky to have theirs in the low 40s? Bort says that if it makes sense in real life football it would make sense here. I don't think this is the case with DTs and especially NTs. Again, I'm going with the accusation that the high blocking OL have overrides too much of the DTs and NTs attributes.

That's why I'm going to try the vision route at this point and get that up to around 45 through training and SP. Something has to work for getting the NT to break through/around blocking 4-5 times/game which is a completely realistic expectation.

MHS, how's it going bud! In season 3 there were a lot of great stats put up by DTs (you really rocked the house for our team though), but since then it's been damn hard to be a NT.

Centers get +1 strength, +1 blocking up until level 22, then get +.67 strength +.67 blocking after that.

I'm building a C right now that is level 10 and has 69.99 strength and 62.04 blocking. I will put 4 more sp into blocking for +2 for 64.04.

With level ups and equipment he will be at 85.99 strength and 76.04 blocking at level 22. At level 24 that will be 91.33 strength and 77.38 blocking without spending another sp in either one after level 11. At level 29 he will have 94.68 strength and 79.39 blocking. On top of that his agility will be at least to the 3 for 1 cap and I will have been able to put a bunch of points into SAs. Some people have built their Cs with even more strength than I gave mine early on but I'm trying to be more balanced.

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
Centers get +1 strength, +1 blocking up until level 22, then get +.75 strength +.75 blocking after that.

I'm building a C right now that is level 10 and has 69.99 strength and 62.04 blocking. I will put 4 more sp into blocking for +2 for 64.04.

With level ups and equipment he will be at 85.99 strength and 76.04 blocking at level 22. At level 24 that will be 91.33 strength and 77.38 blocking without spending another sp in either one after level 11. At level 29 he will have 94.68 strength and 79.39 blocking. On top of that his agility will be at least to the 3 for 1 cap and I will have been able to put a bunch of points into SAs. Some people have built their Cs with even more strength than I gave mine early on but I'm trying to be more balanced.



Fixed.

Having played the position, I can tell you that vision is very important for Lineman whether they are playing the ends, nose, or under. you gotta see the gaps, the runs, whos pulling, etc.

How much it plays into this game im not too sure yet but ive boosted my vision from 32 to 41 from the beginning of this year and am having the best start to my season than any other.

Originally posted by arteryman
Originally posted by JBrown5390

Originally posted by tautology


That level 29 center probably had 15-20 points of strength on you....

It wouldnt matter if he did. My level 26 DT had 91 strength, 60+ agility and 48 speed yet he doesnt have a sack or hurry this season, Bort needs to nerf Olineman or increase the effect of DT's SA's.




We should start a topic in the forums for this, get everyone on here involved, just like the DE did for their rushing.


I agree. DT's are completely inneffective right now.

Originally posted by JBrown5390
Originally posted by arteryman

Originally posted by JBrown5390


Originally posted by tautology



That level 29 center probably had 15-20 points of strength on you....

It wouldnt matter if he did. My level 26 DT had 91 strength, 60+ agility and 48 speed yet he doesnt have a sack or hurry this season, Bort needs to nerf Olineman or increase the effect of DT's SA's.




We should start a topic in the forums for this, get everyone on here involved, just like the DE did for their rushing.


I agree. DT's are completely inneffective right now.


I've been saying that since last season heh. They get too many SA's that are for pure tackling purposes, and they have to beat guys which get just about every SA in their trees to stop the guy from beating them. They've been turned into a non glamour position without the FP discount if you ask me.

I'd say throw some points into Strong Base SA. That might be the solution you are looking for. I have 3 in there currently and planning on putting more in as soon as I get my base stats up more. The only bad thing about that is you have to put points into swat ball a pretty much useless SA for DT.

Compared to my DT you have more in everything, but blocking (only by 1 point). We also have a similar run blocking SAs. The only difference I see is the Pass Rusher SAs.

Originally posted by DirtyMouse
I'd say throw some points into Strong Base SA. That might be the solution you are looking for. I have 3 in there currently and planning on putting more in as soon as I get my base stats up more. The only bad thing about that is you have to put points into swat ball a pretty much useless SA for DT.

Compared to my DT you have more in everything, but blocking (only by 1 point). We also have a similar run blocking SAs. The only difference I see is the Pass Rusher SAs.

Strong Base is no longer the answer either. I have 11 in there, and the highest Strength of anyone listed in this thread. Nothing since the updates went live after game 2 or 3 last season. Go back and look at my game logs, it's like a car hitting a wall the way my stats came to a crashing halt.

Originally posted by Buccs99
Having played the position, I can tell you that vision is very important for Lineman whether they are playing the ends, nose, or under. you gotta see the gaps, the runs, whos pulling, etc.

How much it plays into this game im not too sure yet but ive boosted my vision from 32 to 41 from the beginning of this year and am having the best start to my season than any other.

That's what I'm thinking I need to do is get the Vision up for better results.

Oh, and I do have a 2 in Strong Base, that's why I have the 1 in Swat Ball. My bad for not posting that earlier.