Warrior General Games

I'm just curious if there's folks out there who have DTs that would be considered "weak" but are very fast and agile. Not to the extreme that we see DEs go for the effect, but definitely higher than most of the other builds.

I'm in a situation with my higher leveled DT (who played NT for his whole career up until now. He's being asked to be more of a pass-rusher and help create some disruption. He's typically built (str and agi both past the 3-cap and blah blah blah). So I got the idea to make a more pass-rush focused player at the position. I started a new guy out and dropped him in the d-leagues. I plan on raising strength, agility, and speed all fairly equally until I decide to take off with the speed and agility.

The downsides are obvious, but there may be some positives to be gleaned from the new advanced equipment system.

I know some folks have tried these types of builds in earlier seasons, but I'm curious to see if any of those guys are still around and can share their (most likely) troublesome stories and what they learned. Or perhaps they've been successful? I hope so. I'll make a new thread when he's out of d-leagues at the end of the season that will track his progress once he lands on a human team. If any games pop up where he faced equal competition in the d-leagues and was successful, I'll post those here as well.

Im shooting for an all speed and agility DT right now. Only level 4 right now but if it turns out well I will start a thread just like I did for my other DT Casey Hampton.

Originally posted by sleepingazure
I'm just curious if there's folks out there who have DTs that would be considered "weak" but are very fast and agile. Not to the extreme that we see DEs go for the effect, but definitely higher than most of the other builds.

I'm in a situation with my higher leveled DT (who played NT for his whole career up until now. He's being asked to be more of a pass-rusher and help create some disruption. He's typically built (str and agi both past the 3-cap and blah blah blah). So I got the idea to make a more pass-rush focused player at the position. I started a new guy out and dropped him in the d-leagues. I plan on raising strength, agility, and speed all fairly equally until I decide to take off with the speed and agility.

The downsides are obvious, but there may be some positives to be gleaned from the new advanced equipment system.

I know some folks have tried these types of builds in earlier seasons, but I'm curious to see if any of those guys are still around and can share their (most likely) troublesome stories and what they learned. Or perhaps they've been successful? I hope so. I'll make a new thread when he's out of d-leagues at the end of the season that will track his progress once he lands on a human team. If any games pop up where he faced equal competition in the d-leagues and was successful, I'll post those here as well.



I don't really understand why you would do this. If you want to build a DE-like pass rusher from the DT position, then build a DE and play him at DT. All speed/agility DTs are basically just bad DEs with no Tunnel Vision and no +.5 per level to speed.

I've been tempted to try putting three stellar DEs on the line with a high D-Line General NT, see if it will let each of them go one on one with a lineman while the NT gets doubled... but stellar DEs only want to play at DE because they get to rack up sacks easier that way. I'm building a DE of my own, so eventually I might give this a try.

My level 16 DT is being built this way, but he's being super slow built so I'm not expecting to learn much until next season.

Originally posted by Gabrosin
Originally posted by sleepingazure

I'm just curious if there's folks out there who have DTs that would be considered "weak" but are very fast and agile. Not to the extreme that we see DEs go for the effect, but definitely higher than most of the other builds.

I'm in a situation with my higher leveled DT (who played NT for his whole career up until now. He's being asked to be more of a pass-rusher and help create some disruption. He's typically built (str and agi both past the 3-cap and blah blah blah). So I got the idea to make a more pass-rush focused player at the position. I started a new guy out and dropped him in the d-leagues. I plan on raising strength, agility, and speed all fairly equally until I decide to take off with the speed and agility.

The downsides are obvious, but there may be some positives to be gleaned from the new advanced equipment system.

I know some folks have tried these types of builds in earlier seasons, but I'm curious to see if any of those guys are still around and can share their (most likely) troublesome stories and what they learned. Or perhaps they've been successful? I hope so. I'll make a new thread when he's out of d-leagues at the end of the season that will track his progress once he lands on a human team. If any games pop up where he faced equal competition in the d-leagues and was successful, I'll post those here as well.



I don't really understand why you would do this. If you want to build a DE-like pass rusher from the DT position, then build a DE and play him at DT. All speed/agility DTs are basically just bad DEs with no Tunnel Vision and no +.5 per level to speed.

I've been tempted to try putting three stellar DEs on the line with a high D-Line General NT, see if it will let each of them go one on one with a lineman while the NT gets doubled... but stellar DEs only want to play at DE because they get to rack up sacks easier that way. I'm building a DE of my own, so eventually I might give this a try.


Ive seen DT's with only speed and agility tear up Olines. The DT runs right between the line without being blocked because he's too fast. Understand now?

Originally posted by JBrown5390
Originally posted by Gabrosin

Originally posted by sleepingazure


I'm just curious if there's folks out there who have DTs that would be considered "weak" but are very fast and agile. Not to the extreme that we see DEs go for the effect, but definitely higher than most of the other builds.

I'm in a situation with my higher leveled DT (who played NT for his whole career up until now. He's being asked to be more of a pass-rusher and help create some disruption. He's typically built (str and agi both past the 3-cap and blah blah blah). So I got the idea to make a more pass-rush focused player at the position. I started a new guy out and dropped him in the d-leagues. I plan on raising strength, agility, and speed all fairly equally until I decide to take off with the speed and agility.

The downsides are obvious, but there may be some positives to be gleaned from the new advanced equipment system.

I know some folks have tried these types of builds in earlier seasons, but I'm curious to see if any of those guys are still around and can share their (most likely) troublesome stories and what they learned. Or perhaps they've been successful? I hope so. I'll make a new thread when he's out of d-leagues at the end of the season that will track his progress once he lands on a human team. If any games pop up where he faced equal competition in the d-leagues and was successful, I'll post those here as well.



I don't really understand why you would do this. If you want to build a DE-like pass rusher from the DT position, then build a DE and play him at DT. All speed/agility DTs are basically just bad DEs with no Tunnel Vision and no +.5 per level to speed.

I've been tempted to try putting three stellar DEs on the line with a high D-Line General NT, see if it will let each of them go one on one with a lineman while the NT gets doubled... but stellar DEs only want to play at DE because they get to rack up sacks easier that way. I'm building a DE of my own, so eventually I might give this a try.


Ive seen DT's with only speed and agility tear up Olines. The DT runs right between the line without being blocked because he's too fast. Understand now?

I agree, I've seen the same. He's just saying that a DE with it's superior SAs and better level up automatic bonus playing DT might be better which is probably a pretty valid point.

Originally posted by JBrown5390


Ive seen DT's with only speed and agility tear up Olines. The DT runs right between the line without being blocked because he's too fast. Understand now?

I've seen this too, but never against a well built O-line...I am curious to see how this works. My guess is, not as well as the DE version. But you never know...

Originally posted by tautology
Originally posted by JBrown5390



Ive seen DT's with only speed and agility tear up Olines. The DT runs right between the line without being blocked because he's too fast. Understand now?

I've seen this too, but never against a well built O-line...I am curious to see how this works. My guess is, not as well as the DE version. But you never know...

That's kinda what I'm thinking. But if I build him carefully and hit the "advanced equipment lottery", I could end up with a dynamite combination, lol.

Originally posted by JBrown5390
Originally posted by Gabrosin

Originally posted by sleepingazure


I'm just curious if there's folks out there who have DTs that would be considered "weak" but are very fast and agile. Not to the extreme that we see DEs go for the effect, but definitely higher than most of the other builds.

I'm in a situation with my higher leveled DT (who played NT for his whole career up until now. He's being asked to be more of a pass-rusher and help create some disruption. He's typically built (str and agi both past the 3-cap and blah blah blah). So I got the idea to make a more pass-rush focused player at the position. I started a new guy out and dropped him in the d-leagues. I plan on raising strength, agility, and speed all fairly equally until I decide to take off with the speed and agility.

The downsides are obvious, but there may be some positives to be gleaned from the new advanced equipment system.

I know some folks have tried these types of builds in earlier seasons, but I'm curious to see if any of those guys are still around and can share their (most likely) troublesome stories and what they learned. Or perhaps they've been successful? I hope so. I'll make a new thread when he's out of d-leagues at the end of the season that will track his progress once he lands on a human team. If any games pop up where he faced equal competition in the d-leagues and was successful, I'll post those here as well.



I don't really understand why you would do this. If you want to build a DE-like pass rusher from the DT position, then build a DE and play him at DT. All speed/agility DTs are basically just bad DEs with no Tunnel Vision and no +.5 per level to speed.

I've been tempted to try putting three stellar DEs on the line with a high D-Line General NT, see if it will let each of them go one on one with a lineman while the NT gets doubled... but stellar DEs only want to play at DE because they get to rack up sacks easier that way. I'm building a DE of my own, so eventually I might give this a try.


Ive seen DT's with only speed and agility tear up Olines. The DT runs right between the line without being blocked because he's too fast. Understand now?

Oh, I believe that a speed/agility DT could do well there... but wouldn't a speed/agility DE of roughly the same level do better? I think that the FS/CD/SB/TV SAs would be more than enough to make up for any negative adjustment for playing out of position.

The Giants did it and they won the superbowl so why not run 3 or 4 DE fronts, DT's smell funny anyway.

dt's are supposed to eat double and triple teams and stuff up the middle run not be the great pass rusher

the mo for a dt is eat the double team and keep the linebackers happy

Originally posted by hiuhyoi
The Giants did it and they won the superbowl so why not run 3 or 4 DE fronts, DT's smell funny anyway.

It's basically just to see if building a DT more DE-like (but not completely) would be better than playing a somewhat similarly built DE out of position.

Originally posted by Fanzy
dt's are supposed to eat double and triple teams and stuff up the middle run not be the great pass rusher

the mo for a dt is eat the double team and keep the linebackers happy

Oh, I'm aware. I have 2 already, one NT and one DT. Again, just wanting to poke at the build and see if there's any chance of success down the road and was looking to see if anyone has taken a DT of this type into the 20's and what kind of success have they had.

NT SAs don't seem to do crap! Break Thru, yeah right. Wall SA, you still get pushed aside w/ high SA#s and 85+ strength.

I think a great NT that would actually makes plays would be 70 strength, 70 agility, soft capped speed and vision with pass rush SA's like Shed Block which will help beat those double teams more that Break Thru. Not so much to get sacks but to be dangerous to run the ball at because he'll beat blocks to be in position to make tackles.

Originally posted by finsncanes
NT SAs don't seem to do crap! Break Thru, yeah right. Wall SA, you still get pushed aside w/ high SA#s and 85+ strength.

I think a great NT that would actually makes plays would be 70 strength, 70 agility, soft capped speed and vision with pass rush SA's like Shed Block which will help beat those double teams more that Break Thru. Not so much to get sacks but to be dangerous to run the ball at because he'll beat blocks to be in position to make tackles.

Your assuming that shed block works.