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Was watching the game tape of our first scrim, and noticed that our agility focus WR (agility 10+ > speed) was showing signs of growing effectiveness with the new, even more borked than before, settings on coverage.

I'm talking a proper agility focus WR here guys, not the halfass osession: receivers a lot of people claim to be building that are neither here nor there, and while effective don't really qualify as agility builds.

Wondering if anyone else is seeing plays like this, where there is a huge deal of seperation developing, and whether it is build or game engine related.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=188196&pbp_id=227347
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=188196&pbp_id=228422
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=188196&pbp_id=229357
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=188196&pbp_id=231358

I'm guessing with all the speed receivers out there it's possible for an oddity build like an agility receiver to carve out decent yardage fairly constantly. So, result of the opposition, or viable build, opinions people.

For notes, current build is 50 speed, 65 agility, will be up to 75+ agility when I re-work custom equipment and boost later this season.

Speed receivers don't need agility, but agility receivers need speed. That should answer your question about the builds viability. If someone wants to show me a 3rd softcapped agility WR with 5 or more points in each of the last 3 speedster SA trees that utilize agility I would be curious see their production. I would expect those SAs to make the build for an agility receiver.

Originally posted by Mob-6
Speed receivers don't need agility, but agility receivers need speed. That should answer your question about the builds viability. If someone wants to show me a 3rd softcapped agility WR with 5 or more points in each of the last 3 speedster SA trees that utilize agility I would be curious see their production. I would expect those SAs to make the build for an agility receiver.

Until you saw 2nd softcap agility CBs with shutdown coverage continue to shut you down with their superior speed and vision?

Originally posted by TtD

For notes, current build is 50 speed, 65 agility, will be up to 75+ agility when I re-work custom equipment and boost later this season.

Mind sharing which SAs, if any, you have as well?

Honestly, I've seen my speedster with a healthy agility do the same kinda moves.

My favorites are the ones were the CB either just looks stupid.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=187679&pbp_id=100825

Originally posted by Tito716
Originally posted by Mob-6

Speed receivers don't need agility, but agility receivers need speed. That should answer your question about the builds viability. If someone wants to show me a 3rd softcapped agility WR with 5 or more points in each of the last 3 speedster SA trees that utilize agility I would be curious see their production. I would expect those SAs to make the build for an agility receiver.

Until you saw 2nd softcap agility CBs with shutdown coverage continue to shut you down with their superior speed and vision?


Please elaborate, is this regarding the high speed/low agility or the high agility/high elusive SA build?

From a cornerback's perspective, it seems like slower speed can actually be more effective, atleast last year. And I'm talking a very, very significant difference in speed. I'm working with a 70:70 speed/agi corner and I was getting torched by level 10 wide receivers with 15 speed. It seemed to be a flaw in the game engine, where I was moving too fast to stay with them. That could, atleast partially, be where you guys are seeing separation if you focus on agility. The corners may just backpedal too fast and your quarterbacks see an open target. That's definitely what it looks like in the first replay.

Edit: And by "torched" I mean several four, five, six yard completions. I'd kill myself if I gave up a long gain to a level 10 wide out at this point.

Originally posted by Barnsie
Originally posted by TtD


For notes, current build is 50 speed, 65 agility, will be up to 75+ agility when I re-work custom equipment and boost later this season.

Mind sharing which SAs, if any, you have as well?

Pretty balanced, slightly greater focus to posession, nothing in speed beyond SA3.

Originally posted by Craelath
From a cornerback's perspective, it seems like slower speed can actually be more effective, atleast last year. And I'm talking a very, very significant difference in speed. I'm working with a 70:70 speed/agi corner and I was getting torched by level 10 wide receivers with 15 speed. It seemed to be a flaw in the game engine, where I was moving too fast to stay with them. That could, atleast partially, be where you guys are seeing separation if you focus on agility. The corners may just backpedal too fast and your quarterbacks see an open target. That's definitely what it looks like in the first replay.

Edit: And by "torched" I mean several four, five, six yard completions. I'd kill myself if I gave up a long gain to a level 10 wide out at this point.

Bort changed mechanics for last season because in the past CBs were killing equally agile receivers and they had no way to get open. I don't know what he did, but if you check the season 4 changes you'll find them.

Originally posted by Mob-6
Speed receivers don't need agility, but agility receivers need speed. That should answer your question about the builds viability. If someone wants to show me a 3rd softcapped agility WR with 5 or more points in each of the last 3 speedster SA trees that utilize agility I would be curious see their production. I would expect those SAs to make the build for an agility receiver.

What on earth are you basing this argument on? Agility is VERY important to all WRs, speed or otherwise, and is usually the defining factor in getting open. If you want flames inconsistant WRs with 100 speed and 20 agility, be my guest, but if you want a good productive beastly WRs, I highly suggest 60 agility by level 32 or so...

What does lamented mean?

Use a dictionary....

Back to the WR, another good scrim today but was matched up against a 21CB so not really counting it, big tests will be in the coming week when we face the other top teams in the conference games 3 and 4.

Am I going to find seperation in there too?

I've got an agility-based WR. He does pretty well, I built him as a possession guy but you can't survive on agility along, you've got to have other attributes and SA's to support it.

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
Originally posted by Mob-6

Speed receivers don't need agility, but agility receivers need speed. That should answer your question about the builds viability. If someone wants to show me a 3rd softcapped agility WR with 5 or more points in each of the last 3 speedster SA trees that utilize agility I would be curious see their production. I would expect those SAs to make the build for an agility receiver.

What on earth are you basing this argument on? Agility is VERY important to all WRs, speed or otherwise, and is usually the defining factor in getting open. If you want flames inconsistant WRs with 100 speed and 20 agility, be my guest, but if you want a good productive beastly WRs, I highly suggest 60 agility by level 32 or so...

I'm basing it on all the low agility/high speed builds people have posted and my own results compared to those of my teammates. Feel free to post builds of successful High agility receivers with low speed so I can see their production. Again, you bring up flames WR, with low agility and high speed and he has had some great games. Do you think a WR with 20 speed and 100 agility could have the same production as Flames'? Or is agility the limiting factor?