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Stud is ready to have a good year in USA Pro.

Stud is awesome.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=69719

Seriously, though. Is good to be in US Pro, and I'm looking forward to a (hopefully) fun and competitive season
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I like Richmond's "racist historical figures" theme.

Welcome to the pros! The West is a beast. Boost early.
 
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Sorry you had to get that #3 trophy. If you were on any other team you'd have gotten #2.
 
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Originally posted by Mercaptopropyl
Sorry you had to get that #3 trophy. If you were on any other team you'd have gotten #2.


Hey, I was too busy signing autographs, while Rivers did the dirty work.

But man, we're like Ocho Cinco and Houshmanzadeh. Like Moss and Welker.
 
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Originally posted by Mercaptopropyl

Sorry you had to get that #3 trophy. If you were on any other team you'd have gotten #2.


Hey, I was too busy signing autographs, while Rivers did the dirty work.

But man, we're like Ocho Cinco and Houshmanzadeh. Like Moss and Welker.


Better.
 
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Originally posted by Mercaptopropyl
Originally posted by MrMoose

Originally posted by Mercaptopropyl


Sorry you had to get that #3 trophy. If you were on any other team you'd have gotten #2.


Hey, I was too busy signing autographs, while Rivers did the dirty work.

But man, we're like Ocho Cinco and Houshmanzadeh. Like Moss and Welker.


Better.


I like Chad and Housh because Jefferson Davis could be Chris Henry.
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Originally posted by purehatred
I like Richmond's "racist historical figures" theme.

Welcome to the pros! The West is a beast. Boost early.


None of our players are racists! I demand you take that back. The Civil War was about States rights and nothing more.
 
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Couldn't agree more. Civil war was all about states rights. At the top of that list was the states' right to own slaves. I am from South Carolina (Charleston) and I have been to the Citadel where the cadets first fired on the Star of the North, and also to Fort Sumpter and Fort Multrie and several other similar sites as well. Slavery wasn't the only reason for the civil war, but it was a big reason, and probably the biggest. I don't know why people argue about it. Were southerners in the 1860s racist? Many were, and likewise many Northerners were too. Just because they didn't own slaves doesn't mean they weren't racist. That is for sure.
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Originally posted by tpaterniti
Couldn't agree more. Civil war was all about states rights. At the top of that list was the states' right to own slaves. I am from South Carolina (Charleston) and I have been to the Citadel where the cadets first fired on the Star of the North, and also to Fort Sumpter and Fort Multrie and several other similar sites as well. Slavery wasn't the only reason for the civil war, but it was a big reason, and probably the biggest. I don't know why people argue about it. Were southerners in the 1860s racist? Many were, and likewise many Northerners were too. Just because they didn't own slaves doesn't mean they weren't racist. That is for sure.


For anyone else that wants an even longer history lesson, check this:

http://www.civilwarhome.com/csa.htm

And tpat: I lived in SC for a couple of years while my dad was stationed at Parris Island. Live in NC now when I'm not at school, and Wisconsin when I am. Nice to see someone else from the area
 
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Most people don't have any understanding or appreciation of the idea of states rights because 1.) more liberal politicians (who are generally imitating European politcal theory) are always trying to convince us that more government is better, by which they mean of course more national government. Marxism, Socialism - these political theories have almost nothing in common with Federalism (one of the primary political systems our country was founded upon) on any level; 2.) it is just a reality of modern technology and communication that as a nation we feel more unified than ever in terms of geography and less like loosely joined states. In 1900 a trip fom South Carolina to Austin, Texas would have taken probably 2-3 weeks. In 1850 it would have taken 4-5 weeks. In 1800 it would have been impossible. Now it takes 2-3 days by car, 5-6 hours by plane. That is simply astonishing, and it is no wonder we think of ourselves more as a collective unit than of an amalgamation of individual entities; 3.) our education system is getting worse and worse and few people seem to know much about our national history at all, that is short of what they learn in blockbuster movies of course!Most people probably know that today the details of taxation and certain other matters, such as drivers licenses and legal documents differ from state to state, but they do not put 2 and 2 together and realize that our country was originally a compromise between a pure federalism where there was practically no centralized government and a (then) British style government with a single ruler or rulers and some sort of legislative assembly/assemblies. The compromise involved certain rights, such as national security, foreign policy, etc. to be placed in the hands of the central national government while issues like taxation, education, etc. were left in the hands of the state govrnment.

This is the context behind which the Civil War took place. (Southern) States felt that there were specific domains into which the national government had no right to interfere. This seems strange to modern Americains for the reasons I listed at the beginning, but in reality this compromise between cetralized and decentralized governmental units was a fundamental tenant upon which our country was founded, as fundamental as the Constitution itself inasmuch as it was the tenant upon which many sipulations in the constitution itself were founded. When you understand this, the southern states balking at the interference of the central government into matters that had traditionally been the domain and right of states to handle does not seem so strange or extraordinary. Sure slavery was a big issue, but it was a catalyst and as I hope I have demonstrated there were serious ideological issues of government behind the Civil War - it wasn't, as is often supposed, just a bunch of racist southerners who prefered to die rather than give up their slaves.
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What kind of southerner is actually going to read all that?

Not my kind that's for sure.
 
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Originally posted by tpaterniti
Most people don't have any understanding or appreciation of the idea of states rights because 1.) more liberal politicians (who are generally imitating European political theory) are always trying to convince us that more government is better, by which they mean of course more national government. Marxism, Socialism - these political theories have almost nothing in common with Federalism (one of the primary political systems our country was founded upon) on any level; 2.) it is just a reality of modern technology and communication that as a nation we feel more unified than ever in terms of geography and less like loosely joined states. In 1900 a trip from South Carolina to Austin, Texas would have taken probably 2-3 weeks. In 1850 it would have taken 4-5 weeks. In 1800 it would have been impossible. Now it takes 2-3 days by car, 5-6 hours by plane. That is simply astonishing, and it is no wonder we think of ourselves more as a collective unit than of an amalgamation of individual entities; 3.) our education system is getting worse and worse and few people seem to know much about our national history at all, that is short of what they learn in blockbuster movies of course!Most people probably know that today the details of taxation and certain other matters, such as drivers licenses and legal documents differ from state to state, but they do not put 2 and 2 together and realize that our country was originally a compromise between a pure federalism where there was practically no centralized government and a (then) British style government with a single ruler or rulers and some sort of legislative assembly/assemblies. The compromise involved certain rights, such as national security, foreign policy, etc. to be placed in the hands of the central national government while issues like taxation, education, etc. were left in the hands of the state government.

This is the context behind which the Civil War took place. (Southern) States felt that there were specific domains into which the national government had no right to interfere. This seems strange to modern Americans for the reasons I listed at the beginning, but in reality this compromise between centralized and decentralized governmental units was a fundamental tenant upon which our country was founded, as fundamental as the Constitution itself inasmuch as it was the tenant upon which many stipulations in the constitution itself were founded. When you understand this, the southern states balking at the interference of the central government into matters that had traditionally been the domain and right of states to handle does not seem so strange or extraordinary. Sure slavery was a big issue, but it was a catalyst and as I hope I have demonstrated there were serious ideological issues of government behind the Civil War - it wasn't, as is often supposed, just a bunch of racist southerners who preferred to die rather than give up their slaves.


I agree 100%. Even though I think abolishing slavery was a great thing in the beginning, it opened the door for other changes that added layer upon layer of bureaucracy to the federal government. Our government has gotten way too bloated and neither the democrats or republicans have shown any inclination towards truly reforming it. Because of that, the two party system pretty much excludes anyone who wants the level of reform we really need. Even though a lot of people I talk to seem to agree with the Libertarian point of view based on their positions, no one takes them seriously because the other two parties have such a huge advantage. I just think it's sad really.
 
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Originally posted by mavsman
Originally posted by purehatred

I like Richmond's "racist historical figures" theme.

Welcome to the pros! The West is a beast. Boost early.


None of our players are racists! I demand you take that back. The Civil War was about States rights and nothing more.


It was mostly a joke. Calm down.

 
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Originally posted by purehatred
Originally posted by mavsman

Originally posted by purehatred


I like Richmond's "racist historical figures" theme.

Welcome to the pros! The West is a beast. Boost early.


None of our players are racists! I demand you take that back. The Civil War was about States rights and nothing more.


It was mostly a joke. Calm down.



Racism isn't a joke. Racism is still alive, we've just been concealing it.
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Originally posted by mavsman

Racism is still alive, we've just been concealing it.


Mav, I think those are the truest words I've ever seen you write.

BTW, fair warning to teams in the West, MrMoose is indeed goofing around, but taking him and River Rivers seriously may be a good idea. They really are an amazing WR package. I should know. They just abused my DBs so badly that it will take yrs of therapy for them to bury those scars...Not heal, that will never happen.

 
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