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Well, you -can- create other characters, you know.

Hmm..

I'm at a loss for how to respond to you. I think you have reading comprehension issues. If that's offensive, so be it.
Leveling faster is obviously not a benefit of "slow building". Look at the name. Your CB would likely not face my WR (who by the way is not slow built). There are capped leagues for a reason, and Bort likely will continue making them as well as maintaining the D leagues because he wants to attract new players to the game. New players wouldn't want to be thrown at level 1 into a league with all level 30+ players would they? That'd be silly.

Also, you don't magically lose your character after 10 seasons, their stats begin to lower gradually. Perhaps slow building would temporarily offset the losses you sustain during the post-10 season degeneration (this is completely based on theory, not proof, because nobody has a 10 season old character). Maybe by slow building you'd gain 6 high performance seasons and 4 gradually declining seasons. Who knows?

Originally posted by Iversen5771
How many seasons is a player estimated to last ? I've heard about 10 .

You use 5 seasons+ to be level 13 .

Normal slowbuilding: let's take my CB that I made this season - currently level 10 with 633 exp . when I boost him for this season that's level 13 . Wait what now ? I'm the same level as you , only 4 seasons ahead of you . so that would make me level (not counting ANY training exp or game exp) 25 by boosting alone and maybe like 30-35 if we count in training exp and game exp .

Please when this happens let my CB face your WR , lets see who's the more effective ay ?

Remember , there's capped leagues now , but in 5 seasons who knows ? Bort can't keep on adding leagues , some day capped leagues and possibly D-leagues are gone ?

Sorry , not buying your idea because of pure logic as well as the fact that it's no fun having a player for 5 seasons without playing games ??

I'm not gonna super slow build for 5+ seasons, once his stats that aren't soft capped yet are close to 30 the gains from training are minimal, so I'd move him to the D-Leagues.

The capped leagues and D-league will never go, there are too many new players being created each day for that to happen.

Also, as for it not being fun having players that don't play any games, I have 36 other players to have fun with in the meantime.

Originally posted by Daddy Warbucks
Well, you -can- create other characters, you know.

Hmm..

I'm at a loss for how to respond to you. I think you have reading comprehension issues. If that's offensive, so be it.
Leveling faster is obviously not a benefit of "slow building". Look at the name. Your CB would likely not face my WR (who by the way is not slow built). There are capped leagues for a reason, and Bort likely will continue making them as well as maintaining the D leagues because he wants to attract new players to the game. New players wouldn't want to be thrown at level 1 into a league with all level 30+ players would they? That'd be silly.

Also, you don't magically lose your character after 10 seasons, their stats begin to lower gradually. Perhaps slow building would temporarily offset the losses you sustain during the post-10 season degeneration (this is completely based on theory, not proof, because nobody has a 10 season old character). Maybe by slow building you'd gain 6 high performance seasons and 4 gradually declining seasons. Who knows?

Reading and understanding is not my thing no , I'm kinda mentally retarded

But seriously though can we agree that you'll never catch me in levels then ? you super slow build I slow build and boost ?

And yeah , didn't think it through the thing about capped leagues , but really . who cares if you rule in the capped leagues , I've never heard of anyone really ?

And the theory on the degeneration is not yet known so let's not go there , because neither of us know anything about it really .

Me have crayons in mi haed

Yeah, a slow built player will sacrifice higher levels later in their career, meaning they probably won't play in the top leagues, but they do this at the likely advantage of dominating lower level leagues. Once you stop slow building you will level like any other normal character, but until that point, by not playing games you are gradually making yourself better than any other character your level.

The point of that I guess would be enjoying the game. I'd enjoy owning it up in any league except d leagues tbh. Human owners and human players vs human owners and human players of even levels, if you're winning, you're doing something right. Maybe you can say that the likelihood of getting good competition there is low, but if you then move up a division your chances are better.

It all depends really on what your goals in the game are, but even if we all have different goals doubting one method is pointless. Just do what you'll enjoy doing.


edit: by the way, I was kind of generalizing. It wasn't my intention to insult you, just say that you missed the point.

Yeah the insult was nontaken , you have to take everything posted on these forums with a smile

But yeah then we agree I see , and yeah like you mention its just about what your goals whether or not this is a thing for you or not . I'm just personally against this because I believe that if you're good enough you'll end up with a great player that might compete in the top leagues just as you are able to compete in the lower leagues with your method .

As long as you make the distinction between your method of slow building (calling it super slow building is sufficient) instead of simply calling it slow building, which is a method that is widely accepted by many others as the way to get the most attribute volume out of their player, we're peachy.

Originally posted by Daddy Warbucks
Originally posted by knudlen

Yea but at that point, why are you super slow building instead of 'effective' slow building? Doing that method while not playing games doesnt make your guy any better, youre just losing seasons. you cant get the SP to raise those 25s without a lot of levels, and you cant get a lot of levels without playing. Long term, doing a super slow build actually HURTS your guy because instead of getting 1 thing at a time to soft cap, like you do with a regular slow build, you got a bunch of things sitting at 25 and losing out on the whole reason to get to the soft cap. You perform better in the D leagues (cause a guy with a lot of mid 20s is still gonna do well at level 5) but youre not going to be ahead of anyone in A leagues. You'll just be 3 seasons older with slightly higher tertiary stats and lower main ones.

Slow building requires that you reach soft caps, the difference is many people will play games while they slow build making the effect of slow building extremely minimal. It makes them better than players who don't focus on soft capping(slightly), but the method of not playing takes you far beyond that. It does hurt you, like you said, in the sense that 1. You will not be the highest leveled player in the game (but if you're making a character right now, good luck with than anyway) 2. You will not get a full ten seasons of play before your stats begin diminishing (the real disadvantage), but on the plus side, you have the chance of playing what seasons you do have at a much higher level of play, if you have equal level competition, if you distributed your stats and training wisely, and have a good team supporting you. Obviously there are many factors to success, this is only one method of optimizing that.

No i mean, and please note that ive given your opinion less shit in this thread then some other people, i understand the benefits of super slow building in general, i just think specifically for a WR its not as beneficial. Not playing doesnt take help positions that need multiple high stats to be effective. two scenarios, both no games:

1) you focus on softcapping, and by level 5 have enough skill points to soft cap 2 attributes. You're ahead of schleps but only a bit ahead of guys who have played games, since they were softcapping 2 by level 7. Your tertiary skills are as low or lower and your performance because of that suffers.

2) you spread your training out and only softcap 1 thing by 4 or 5. But now youre 2 seasons in, are only level 5, and while your early performance will be good, youre not softcapping any more than a regular slow builder is, so when you get to middle/end game, your stats are going to be the same as any equal level, but they'll have 6 more seasons while you have 4.