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bamaplaya1
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Originally posted by bamaplaya1
I'm getting tired if this shit, it was funny at first, but now its just gotten embarrassing on both sides

Ocho: yay we kicked some pro ass
pro: we didn't gameplan
ocho: neither did we
pro: try beating a real pro team
ocho: we just did
pro: we didn't gameplan
ocho: neither did we
pro: we dont care about these games
Ocho: neither do we



We get it, same argument over and over again. Is the ocho awesome? Of course. I'd pro awesome? I would think so. Both sides claim not to care, but neither will shut up about it. Its got to the point where more non ocho people post than the ocho, and that ruins these forums, it might as well be FFA now


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Originally posted by murgy
Originally posted by rsb014

Originally posted by jrry32



I think you are totally missing the point. Like I said, once you hit BBB#8 you will be outleveled by most of the top teams so you'll basically need a team of all level 28s+ to get out of that league. The Naturals are very good but in AA all the top teams are just as good if not better.


So levels are all that matter? I forgot who is undefeated in AA #2? Can someone refresh my memory? Oh that's right, it is the BBB #8 alumni Hurricane Warriors and they are starting a bunch of level 23 players still.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=1509

Only ONE player level 29 (the non-Wang), one level 28 and the vast majority are level 25 or under as of today. No one has come closer to them than 13 points so far this season, I guess game planning and builds might mean something too. But we're just some little BBB league not even worth wasting time speaking with because when we bought our teams we didn't get to just start out in a league with a A next to the number without having winning a single game to get there. We're at the bottom of the pyramid, please just continue to ignore us peons while we toil away with no hope of ever advancing very far no matter what we do. We'll understand when you get back up on your pedestal and no longer grace our forums with your presence to remind us of the hopelessness.


The Aces started at the bottom too. Stop playing that card. Sure there is BBB teams that are good but like i said before, there is not one BBB team that exists right now that could win USA Pro. Or USA AAA1/2, or USA AA1/2/3/4. There's a tier for a reason. Those leagues all have teams that are super dominant just like the the teams that are super dominant down in BBB, for the mere fact that they have been around longer, and there has been teams better than them in each league every year. Work your way up then the respect comes.

What Honolulu is doing is a good feat but its nothing special. The Aces had to face those same teams on route to our first championship. Then many better ones like the Millens on route to the 2nd championships, and then elite teams such as Fresno Ninjas and Seattle Monsoon etc, in the third. They played the roles you guys have had to the Warriors. And now those teams are getting their championships, and are most likely going to be in a team in BBB's way or a team in AA's way. I'd put my money on it being more than 4 seasons before we see another team from BBB in the pros. The closest one being Honolulu, and thats not happening in 2 seasons either.

Now we're playing teams that have competed for 4 seasons in USA Pro and we're in 3rd place in the pros. We get respect and have a target on our backs by teams everywhere, but as proven by our scrimmage schedule you can see we hang with every Pro league. The same can not be said for Phily, or The Naturals. I think its a clear , the Aces had that game against Phily wraped up, and they came back from 8 down in the 4th quarter. Philly is a good team but we win that game 95/100 times.


hahahha thats the most condescending post I have ever seen. Get the F outta here with all that BS your weak man I am sorry. 3-0 live love it F it. Get off your high horse and give respect where respect is due.
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buckeyes33
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Originally posted by jrry32
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I think you are totally missing the point. Like I said, once you hit BBB#8 you will be outleveled by most of the top teams so you'll basically need a team of all level 28s+ to get out of that league. The Naturals are very good but in AA all the top teams are just as good if not better.



let me ask you this: what is more important? a higher level or a better build?

We could play a lvl 33 QB, but if he has punting and kicking to 25, he isn't going to do shit against a bunch of level 27s, much less to 29 and 30.

Almost every player on that Naturals have a great build. Some of us are even higher levels with great builds.
 
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don't u luv arrogant pro leaguers?
 
Grim Truth
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Originally posted by vandiar2
Originally posted by murgy

The Aces started at the bottom too. Stop playing that card. Sure there is BBB teams that are good but like i said before, there is not one BBB team that exists right now that could win USA Pro. Or USA AAA1/2, or USA AA1/2/3/4. There's a tier for a reason. Those leagues all have teams that are super dominant just like the the teams that are super dominant down in BBB, for the mere fact that they have been around longer, and there has been teams better than them in each league every year. Work your way up then the respect comes.

What Honolulu is doing is a good feat but its nothing special. The Aces had to face those same teams on route to our first championship. Then many better ones like the Millens on route to the 2nd championships, and then elite teams such as Fresno Ninjas and Seattle Monsoon etc, in the third. They played the roles you guys have had to the Warriors. And now those teams are getting their championships, and are most likely going to be in a team in BBB's way or a team in AA's way. I'd put my money on it being more than 4 seasons before we see another team from BBB in the pros. The closest one being Honolulu, and thats not happening in 2 seasons either.

Now we're playing teams that have competed for 4 seasons in USA Pro and we're in 3rd place in the pros. We get respect and have a target on our backs by teams everywhere, but as proven by our scrimmage schedule you can see we hang with every Pro league. The same can not be said for Phily, or The Naturals. I think its a clear , the Aces had that game against Phily wraped up, and they came back from 8 down in the 4th quarter. Philly is a good team but we win that game 95/100 times.


hahahha thats the most condescending post I have ever seen. Get the F outta here with all that BS your weak man I am sorry. 3-0 live love it F it. Get off your high horse and give respect where respect is due.


I give credit where it is due. There are some talented teams in the BBB's. HOWEVER, murgy makes a very good points.

No BBB team is going to be able to win a USPL title if they joined this season. They are not ready. A scrim here or there, maybe, 4-7 wins in the Pro's, maybe, but not a title. That is why there is a tier system, to weed our the crappy teams and advance the good ones, but to date I can't think of one team that went from the BBB's to the Pro's beyond the Aces. And there is a reason for that. The Aces were a BBB team good enough for the league higher every year, right now there aren't many BBB teams that'll move up this year and win a title next year. That's not how it works.

There are a few Ocho teams who should be in the A's, and maybe the AA's, but that's it for right now. Beating one team in a scrim and competing for a USPL title are two very different things. Something you people seem to forget very quickly.

Congratulations on the wins, they are impressive, but ultimately they mean nothing. Eventually your teams will get to the Pro's if they deserve it (not all teams will) but it stands a higher likelihood your teams will be gutted or get stuck in a AA or AAA league until about the time we all have to retire our players. That's not me gloating or acting superior, that's just the truth of a tier system. Good teams go to the A's all the way to the Pro's and crappy teams fall to the BBB's. It's impossible that a league that has spent 4 seasons getting leagues worst teams is as good as a league where all the best teams advance to.

There are too many great teams in the A's, AA's, and AAA's to contend with before even getting a chance at the Pro's.

I wish you all luck, but winning a scrim against a team that doesn't care as much as you do will not get you to the Pro's. And whether you like it or not, it is the Pro League for a reason.
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Ah, but you see no one actually FROM BBB 8 has EVER said we were going to, or could contend for a USA Pro Championship, and for the record, the Aces have been beat by a BBB 8 team, so I'm not sure what foundation you're standing on, how about you just leave our forums to us?
 
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It's kind of like saying "Grim Truth sucks at football in real life and would get KILLED in the NFL". Did Grim ever say he could compete in the NFL? No. Is it a true statement? Of course. Would I sound retarded if I kept making that statement although Grim never alluded to it? You bet.

See, it's that easy.

Statements can be true all day long. People just look stupid for saying them.
 
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Originally posted by frshmnky6
Ah, but you see no one actually FROM BBB 8 has EVER said we were going to, or could contend for a USA Pro Championship, and for the record, the Aces have been beat by a BBB 8 team, so I'm not sure what foundation you're standing on, how about you just leave our forums to us?


I think this is the point here. Nobody in Ocho said we could compete for a title in the Pros. I believe it was the arrogant Pros who said "Ocho couldn't hang with the Pros". I may be mistaken but that's the arrogance that bothered me and I assume everyone else. I believe the top level of Ocho has proved they can beat Pro teams. Period. Some may have been crappy but not all...... and that would indicate to me that the Ocho can "hang with the Pros".

If my information is wrong than I apologize but that's how I see how all this came down.

Your arrogance is nauseating. Nothing worse than playing with people who show poor sportsmanship.
 
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Originally posted by Grim Truth
Eventually your teams will get to the Pro's if they deserve it (not all teams will) but it stands a higher likelihood your teams will be gutted or get stuck in a AA or AAA league until about the time we all have to retire our players. That's not me gloating or acting superior, that's just the truth of a tier system. Good teams go to the A's all the way to the Pro's and crappy teams fall to the BBB's. It's impossible that a league that has spent 4 seasons getting leagues worst teams is as good as a league where all the best teams advance to.



Ideally that's how a tier system works but when you have teams getting sold/gutted at a substantially higher rate than teams being advances/relegated, it tends to cog up the gears. Guys like you and Murgy are to narrow minded to realize how many excellent teams are bogged down in the lower leagues because of the system. Hell, there a good handful of teams in Pro that would struggle mightily to make the playoffs in BBB 8.





 
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Originally posted by xnahog
It's kind of like saying "Grim Truth sucks at football in real life and would get KILLED in the NFL". Did Grim ever say he could compete in the NFL? No. Is it a true statement? Of course. Would I sound retarded if I kept making that statement although Grim never alluded to it? You bet.

See, it's that easy.

Statements can be true all day long. People just look stupid for saying them.


Yep. This needs to stop.
 
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hey, fairforever:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=138752

movin on up!

Originally posted by FairForever


lolnaturals

Goal 1) Make it out of BBB first

0 for 2.


uh oh
 
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Originally posted by Buckeyes33
hey, fairforever:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=138752

movin on up!

Originally posted by FairForever



lolnaturals

Goal 1) Make it out of BBB first

0 for 2.


uh oh


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