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Bob Miley
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Originally posted by Warlock

I think it comes down to the sim, whether it's intended to be that way or not is what I wanted to know.


Maybe because this game is entirely based upon the sim that it all comes down to the sim, and without the sim we'd be a bunch of guys collecting internet football rookie cards or something stupid like that.

Maybe it is because you happen to be an OT that you are offended that you got owned, but seeing as you probably don't play an important role in your team, why get so mad if the owner hasn't even expressed his opinions on it. No offense meant to the Bruins, but I don't think anyone expected them to come out on top of Alpine who has been dominate all season.
 
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I think you have a legit question. I watched the entire game and he was in your backfield a lot even when he didn't get a Hurry or Sack. Now, that being said, the answer could be as has been said, "shit happens". This is a game based on percentages and chance. It can happen that a whole bunch of bad rolls happened.

Personally, from the last couple times I've seen Bort talking about situations like this, I think he has reiterated the importance of Confidence. If you get your confidence beat down, it can snowball pretty badly. Perhaps that's what happened. I know I try to preach Confidence to our guys.
 
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Originally posted by Sinyen
I think you have a legit question. I watched the entire game and he was in your backfield a lot even when he didn't get a Hurry or Sack. Now, that being said, the answer could be as has been said, "shit happens". This is a game based on percentages and chance. It can happen that a whole bunch of bad rolls happened.

Personally, from the last couple times I've seen Bort talking about situations like this, I think he has reiterated the importance of Confidence. If you get your confidence beat down, it can snowball pretty badly. Perhaps that's what happened. I know I try to preach Confidence to our guys.


After watching the playoffs for three seasons, it is apparent that SOMETHING changes after the regular season. I'm not going to sit here and say it is definately the sim, because tactics change, rosters change, levels change... But no one with a functioning frontal lobe can deny the fact that the playoffs have a large number of out of character happenings every year.
 
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Originally posted by Bob Miley
Originally posted by Warlock


I think it comes down to the sim, whether it's intended to be that way or not is what I wanted to know.


Maybe because this game is entirely based upon the sim that it all comes down to the sim, and without the sim we'd be a bunch of guys collecting internet football rookie cards or something stupid like that.

Maybe it is because you happen to be an OT that you are offended that you got owned, but seeing as you probably don't play an important role in your team, why get so mad if the owner hasn't even expressed his opinions on it. No offense meant to the Bruins, but I don't think anyone expected them to come out on top of Alpine who has been dominate all season.


My OT is a back-up and plays the opposite side. My FB is my primary player on the team. Whether or not they won is unimportant (do I really have to say it again?). Wanting the sim to be looked at, so that these issues don't arise in the future, is something that we should all want to see. As for getting mad about it... I'm not mad at all, confused yes, but not mad. I would like to see some answers (or it at least get some attention), why do you have a problem with that? It's all about the sim, right? Wouldn't you think that it's kind of important to have the sim work more accurately...

I'm currently beta testing a different game and you know what, they respond to you when you report bugs, because they want to put a decent product out. Not just take money and tell everyone "tough shit", because they can't be bothered to look into why these anomalies happen. Last season we got told "tough shit", when the sim clearly didn't follow the game-plan set forth. I took it like a man then, you know what, it's starting to get old. Sorry if me wanting the game to work properly, offends you because you've been conditioned to take it right in the ass, because you're not smart enough to realize that consumers have the power. Better yet, don't listen to me, I hope something similar happens to you down the line and that tiny light bulb (in your head) finally goes on... by all means continue to get strung along, as long as you continue to pay up, they don't have to fix shit. For me, I'm not any more.

Sinyen,

Yeah, I work on confidence myself. It shouldn't have that big of an effect IMHO, especially if the sim rolls well early on, it can literally change the scope of an entire match. Which basically throws game-planning right out the window... maybe I'm strange or something, but I think I'd rather have a little more control over what happens, rather than it be just the roll of the dice... otherwise I really can't see the point of even playing.



 
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Originally posted by shield.bearer
Originally posted by Sinyen

I think you have a legit question. I watched the entire game and he was in your backfield a lot even when he didn't get a Hurry or Sack. Now, that being said, the answer could be as has been said, "shit happens". This is a game based on percentages and chance. It can happen that a whole bunch of bad rolls happened.

Personally, from the last couple times I've seen Bort talking about situations like this, I think he has reiterated the importance of Confidence. If you get your confidence beat down, it can snowball pretty badly. Perhaps that's what happened. I know I try to preach Confidence to our guys.


After watching the playoffs for three seasons, it is apparent that SOMETHING changes after the regular season. I'm not going to sit here and say it is definately the sim, because tactics change, rosters change, levels change... But no one with a functioning frontal lobe can deny the fact that the playoffs have a large number of out of character happenings every year.


I agree, but I think it's more of so many people boosting, which skews the seeding. Than you've got the teams who put a TON of effort into the playoff gameplanning. I don't think the sim changes, I think teams just change and evolve in the days leading up to the playoffs so some 'out of character' things happen
 
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Originally posted by sabresandkane
Originally posted by shield.bearer

Originally posted by Sinyen


I think you have a legit question. I watched the entire game and he was in your backfield a lot even when he didn't get a Hurry or Sack. Now, that being said, the answer could be as has been said, "shit happens". This is a game based on percentages and chance. It can happen that a whole bunch of bad rolls happened.

Personally, from the last couple times I've seen Bort talking about situations like this, I think he has reiterated the importance of Confidence. If you get your confidence beat down, it can snowball pretty badly. Perhaps that's what happened. I know I try to preach Confidence to our guys.


After watching the playoffs for three seasons, it is apparent that SOMETHING changes after the regular season. I'm not going to sit here and say it is definately the sim, because tactics change, rosters change, levels change... But no one with a functioning frontal lobe can deny the fact that the playoffs have a large number of out of character happenings every year.


I agree, but I think it's more of so many people boosting, which skews the seeding. Than you've got the teams who put a TON of effort into the playoff gameplanning. I don't think the sim changes, I think teams just change and evolve in the days leading up to the playoffs so some 'out of character' things happen


I can't argue with that logic.

OTOH, I'm not sold that boosting and gameplanning is all of it either.

Would you be surprised to find out Confidence and Morale play a bigger role in the playoffs?
 
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The only reason I'd be surprised is the creator of the game has said multiple times that there is no difference in the sim when it comes to regular season/playoffs. Could he be lying? Yes, of course, but why wouldn't he just say that certain attributes are weighted more and just let us figure them out on our own? It just seems far fetched that he's blatantly lying about it for no real reason.
 
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Originally posted by Warlock
Originally posted by Bob Miley

Originally posted by Warlock



I think it comes down to the sim, whether it's intended to be that way or not is what I wanted to know.


Maybe because this game is entirely based upon the sim that it all comes down to the sim, and without the sim we'd be a bunch of guys collecting internet football rookie cards or something stupid like that.

Maybe it is because you happen to be an OT that you are offended that you got owned, but seeing as you probably don't play an important role in your team, why get so mad if the owner hasn't even expressed his opinions on it. No offense meant to the Bruins, but I don't think anyone expected them to come out on top of Alpine who has been dominate all season.


My OT is a back-up and plays the opposite side. My FB is my primary player on the team. Whether or not they won is unimportant (do I really have to say it again?). Wanting the sim to be looked at, so that these issues don't arise in the future, is something that we should all want to see. As for getting mad about it... I'm not mad at all, confused yes, but not mad. I would like to see some answers (or it at least get some attention), why do you have a problem with that? It's all about the sim, right? Wouldn't you think that it's kind of important to have the sim work more accurately...

I'm currently beta testing a different game and you know what, they respond to you when you report bugs, because they want to put a decent product out. Not just take money and tell everyone "tough shit", because they can't be bothered to look into why these anomalies happen. Last season we got told "tough shit", when the sim clearly didn't follow the game-plan set forth. I took it like a man then, you know what, it's starting to get old. Sorry if me wanting the game to work properly, offends you because you've been conditioned to take it right in the ass, because you're not smart enough to realize that consumers have the power. Better yet, don't listen to me, I hope something similar happens to you down the line and that tiny light bulb (in your head) finally goes on... by all means continue to get strung along, as long as you continue to pay up, they don't have to fix shit. For me, I'm not any more.

Sinyen,

Yeah, I work on confidence myself. It shouldn't have that big of an effect IMHO, especially if the sim rolls well early on, it can literally change the scope of an entire match. Which basically throws game-planning right out the window... maybe I'm strange or something, but I think I'd rather have a little more control over what happens, rather than it be just the roll of the dice... otherwise I really can't see the point of even playing.





Yea, I wasn't saying that if it was a Confidence issue that it's an acceptable Confidence issue. I could see that if your Confidence is low and you get pummeled for it, it shouldn't last the entire game by any means. In a real game, the momentum shifts. It should be the same here. If someone's Confidence gets dropped, it should have a chance to come back up just as much.
 
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Originally posted by sabresandkane
The only reason I'd be surprised is the creator of the game has said multiple times that there is no difference in the sim when it comes to regular season/playoffs. Could he be lying? Yes, of course, but why wouldn't he just say that certain attributes are weighted more and just let us figure them out on our own? It just seems far fetched that he's blatantly lying about it for no real reason.


ditto
 
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Originally posted by sabresandkane
Originally posted by shield.bearer

Originally posted by Sinyen


I think you have a legit question. I watched the entire game and he was in your backfield a lot even when he didn't get a Hurry or Sack. Now, that being said, the answer could be as has been said, "shit happens". This is a game based on percentages and chance. It can happen that a whole bunch of bad rolls happened.

Personally, from the last couple times I've seen Bort talking about situations like this, I think he has reiterated the importance of Confidence. If you get your confidence beat down, it can snowball pretty badly. Perhaps that's what happened. I know I try to preach Confidence to our guys.


After watching the playoffs for three seasons, it is apparent that SOMETHING changes after the regular season. I'm not going to sit here and say it is definately the sim, because tactics change, rosters change, levels change... But no one with a functioning frontal lobe can deny the fact that the playoffs have a large number of out of character happenings every year.


I agree, but I think it's more of so many people boosting, which skews the seeding. Than you've got the teams who put a TON of effort into the playoff gameplanning. I don't think the sim changes, I think teams just change and evolve in the days leading up to the playoffs so some 'out of character' things happen


I'm not saying that the boosting didn't make things change, but it's been established that they boosted right before the start of play-offs. So we have data from the game they played against New Orleans. Their LT was at a 2 level disadvantage(instead of 3), whether or not he has a better build is something that we don't know. Although, looking at their scouting report, they look pretty similar. I would say the New Orleans LT is slightly better based on stats, but I just can't see it as a 4 sack difference.

As for game-planning, this situation has almost nothing to do with it. If they blitzed, getting to the QB, rattling him... which then, in turn, started making the QB hold the ball a little longer... giving the DL more time to get to him. I'd say cool, I can see the logic behind that. Instead, we see the sim roll badly 2 of the first 4 plays (for our blockers completely screwing their assignments), which totally changes the scope of the game. In real life football, it usually takes more than a couple bad plays to completely shatter your confidence.

I played both DE and LT in college and semi-pro, my game-plan was intimidation... it usually took 2 or 3 series to fully get inside the head of my opponent (disrupting his concentration). Also in the real world, after a player starts to dominate, adjustments are made. Such as, if I couldn't handle the DE, because he was too quick or strong or whatever, you better believe that the HB/FB would be backing me up and I sure and the hell wouldn't be looking to help anyone else with their assignment. Even if that means someone else gets through. This is the reason that a single player getting so many sacks is such a rare occurrence, but a high total of sacks isn't as uncommon (because other players get opportunities, while the focus is on stopping the dominate player).

The sim doesn't emulate real life in that regard, which is why these anomalies happen. Rather than fix this, the developers tell people lame excuses or just "tough shit". It's obvious (to me anyways), that the developers never played competitive football at a high level (college or above). This is basic knowledge at a high level, because it's vastly important. The game-planning doesn't allow us to affect this, nor does the sim do it for us (the preferable method IMHO)... so we see these ridiculous things happen. I find it ridiculous, simply because we're talking about a top play-off team with a very high chemistry, the monumental screw ups like that just don't happen (barring injuries to starters). People can get beat and all that, but boneheaded mistakes like missing assignments shouldn't be happening in a play-off game (at least not as often as they did in our game), considering our team chemistry.

If people want to consider me a sore loser for wanting the sim to be more realistic/accurate... that's their right. I'm just trying to make the game better.
 
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Originally posted by sabresandkane
The only reason I'd be surprised is the creator of the game has said multiple times that there is no difference in the sim when it comes to regular season/playoffs. Could he be lying? Yes, of course, but why wouldn't he just say that certain attributes are weighted more and just let us figure them out on our own? It just seems far fetched that he's blatantly lying about it for no real reason.


I'm not arguing that the sim changes for the play-offs, merely that the sim isn't very realistic or accurate. This is a beta and I understand that it's a work-in-progress, but the developers don't give me the impression that they acknowledge there's a problem, instead they chalk it up to bad game-planning and/or boosting... that's unacceptable to me. These excuses are just holding the games development back.

 
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