Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Dave Mr Majors
All of them? Are you sure?

Originally posted by Sonic
Just how many are there out there?

I think I've read maybe 3 comprehensive build guides written by DMM, including a very interesting DLC guide which actually sparked a change or two in my building.

Originally posted by Sonic
Just how many are there out there?

There are several that are published, but there are a few more that were not published.

For PW dots in general, you have to get started on multi training as soon as possible. Depending on whether or not you will boost early/late, it will require some changes to the build method to remain effective. FWIW, building the highest EL dot doesn't always give you the best results. Sometimes, you are better served by concentrating on the more important skills, and sacrificing a few points at level 16.

One neat trick I use in PeeWee leagues is to not fill out one of my free EQ pieces on my dots. You can get enough BT's to add on a bonus SA or special (like hold block 5%). Once you get that you can then push the skill up on it because once you use the free EQ you lose the ability to add onto it. I'm dog tired right now so I can't remember the exact formula but you CAN have 1 tricked out AEQ made out of the free EQ which saves you the 15 BT's it costs to buy an AEQ piece. So 75 BT's gets you the 5% hold (or similar thing) and I seem to remember being able to upgrade that one piece so that you get a bit of +skill as well as the special.

I have never used AEQ on a peewee dot, my understanding is that a 5% greater chance to hold a block that I have a 10% chance of holding leads me to having a 10.5% chance of holding my block...

This comes at the cost of what...8 SP?

Seems like it would be much better spent just buying SP with your BT like everyone I've ever known in peewee.

To "fully trick out" a piece of AEQ at level 16, you are looking at 215 BTs (50 for +3, 75 for 5%, 90 on 3 upgrades), which equates to 14 SPs if you are trading them in. You would end up with a +6 att, +8% chance item.

If your dot had 78 in a skill with basic EQ, but 81 in a skill with the AEQ, it would technically be worth 18 SPs which is a "win". However, given the necessity for a well rounded build in PW, I would take the 14 SPs all day.

All of that said...if you are training correctly, you're only going to have about 150 BTs to trade in for SPs anyway, so a "fully tricked out" AEQ will cost you a lot on the build because of the increased demand for BTs and therefore, more light training.

Originally posted by Stoned Beaver
I have never used AEQ on a peewee dot, my understanding is that a 5% greater chance to hold a block that I have a 10% chance of holding leads me to having a 10.5% chance of holding my block...

This comes at the cost of what...8 SP?

Seems like it would be much better spent just buying SP with your BT like everyone I've ever known in peewee.

Technically your math is right, but maybe in the wrong way....

The 5% is a multiplier not an addition. So yeah, 5% of 10 happens to be .5. But if you have a 50% chance of doing something, like breaking a tackle, that becomes a 52.5% chance. 80% chance to do something, like catch a pass, would get a 4% bonus.

That also doesn't take into account, that the percentage chance of doing anything is the sim is completely situational. Like if a HB had 2 defenders approaching for a tackle, in one tick, he could have a 60% chance to break the first, and a 40% chance to break the second. The next tick, maybe he speeds up and has a 65% and 45% chance. Maybe SAs fire off, like Wrap-up tackle vs. Spin, and however many points in each SA determine the bonus to the base chance, and then after everything, the last 5% gets tacked on.

5% could be a big difference or could be meaningless depending on how the math plays out.

SAs give a flat bonus, but Bort nerfed them to prevent exploits at low level... like a 4 pieces of Power Thru combined with points spent, would be devastating with out the nerf.

Okay, ran the math.

You get an extra 7 SPs of EL at level 16 if and only if you take the SA to 8 naturally and your primary attribute is taken naturally to its second cap.

The % chance stuff is extremely expensive BT wise, and simply put % bonuses to low attributes seems bad.
I'm not sure how these are actually coded in, but I doubt these would be effective at all, with the Break Tackle % on power HBs being a very unlikely, but still the closest to being a potential use.


That being said, level 16 doesn't happen until the championship game... up until the championship game you are losing SPs in value...and some of those 7SPS will be lost due to having to do light training at least a few times to actually get the BT you need to actually create the piece.

Originally posted by Dave Mr Majors
To "fully trick out" a piece of AEQ at level 16, you are looking at 215 BTs (50 for +3, 75 for 5%, 90 on 3 upgrades), which equates to 14 SPs if you are trading them in. You would end up with a +6 att, +8% chance item.

If your dot had 78 in a skill with basic EQ, but 81 in a skill with the AEQ, it would technically be worth 18 SPs which is a "win". However, given the necessity for a well rounded build in PW, I would take the 14 SPs all day.

All of that said...if you are training correctly, you're only going to have about 150 BTs to trade in for SPs anyway, so a "fully tricked out" AEQ will cost you a lot on the build because of the increased demand for BTs and therefore, more light training.



That sounds about right. I only had 2 hours sleep in the past 2 days when I posted and couldn't remember exactly what I had done. I do know that it works. What I don't know (because PeeWees are so devoid of human owned teams) is how WELL it worked. We had 2 or 3 undefeated seasons back then... so there's that. But, again, competition was thin.

Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
That sounds about right. I only had 2 hours sleep in the past 2 days when I posted and couldn't remember exactly what I had done. I do know that it works. What I don't know (because PeeWees are so devoid of human owned teams) is how WELL it worked. We had 2 or 3 undefeated seasons back then... so there's that. But, again, competition was thin.

2 of the 3 leagues are likely to be as close to entirely human as you can expect with GLB failing to demote teams that haven't had a dot in them in ages... otherwise there would be 2 full human leagues...

and the third league already has 1/2 human teams, likely to be more before the season starts.


Not to say that having 2 1/2 leagues is impressive, but considering there are only 3 leagues around... that isn't exactly "devoid of human teams"