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I know this is a running league, but I wanted to try to form a good pass blocking oline and give throwing exclusively a shot. I just don't know what attributes are the most important for a pass blocking oline. I appreciate any help.

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It would depend on what type of pass attack you employ....ie if screens were part of the plan OL need more AGL

STR becomes less important in general and agents tend to focus more on BLK and AGL imo

Agil blocking Vis conf?

here's our world league team that exclusively passes: http://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/team.pl?team_id=1095

So it's possible! We also run a zone defense, which isn't supposed to be feasible. But it's just fun to do something different, you know? I'm definitely not saying that either of these themes are going to be stronger than the more standard approach.

Anyway, yeah, raise agility first and blocking second. My rough recommendation would be, *with equipment*:

110-115 agility
95 blocking
80 speed
65-70 vision

And then as much strength as you can get, with all of your remaining eq going into strength. That should put it somewhere in the 120-130 range, which should be fine.

Also disclaimer - I'm a defense guy, so this is mainly gleaning from what my OCs have asked for from the passing OL over the years.

Originally posted by nexill
here's our world league team that exclusively passes: http://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/team.pl?team_id=1095

So it's possible! We also run a zone defense, which isn't supposed to be feasible. But it's just fun to do something different, you know? I'm definitely not saying that either of these themes are going to be stronger than the more standard approach.

Anyway, yeah, raise agility first and blocking second. My rough recommendation would be, *with equipment*:

110-115 agility
95 blocking
80 speed
65-70 vision

And then as much strength as you can get, with all of your remaining eq going into strength. That should put it somewhere in the 120-130 range, which should be fine.

Also disclaimer - I'm a defense guy, so this is mainly gleaning from what my OCs have asked for from the passing OL over the years.

you can do this and get 140-145 strength

http://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/player.pl?player_id=4544647

this one isn't bad

Whiskey in the Jar™ (Lv. 79 OT)
Ht/Wt: 6'2", 319lbs

Experience, Skill Points, and Cash
Money: $0
Daily Salary: $15000
Skill Points: 0
Training Points: 0
Bonus Tokens: 3
Veteran Points: 0
Next Level: 0/1000

Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 140.9 (+49)
Speed: 75.1
Agility: 109.1 (+6)
Jumping: 6
Stamina: 62.1
Vision: 65.1
Confidence: 53.1

Football Skills
Blocking: 97
Catching: 8
Tackling: 10
Throwing: 8
Carrying: 8
Kicking: 8
Punting: 8

Special Abilities
Pass Blocking Abilities
Pass Block: 8
Shock Block: 3
Foundation: 9
Absorb Pain: 2
Protector: 9

Run Blocking Abilities
Run Block: 7
Get Low: 0
Hands: 0
Cut Block: 0
Pancake: 0

Additional Abilities
Balance: 2
Veteran Abilities
Quick: 11
Great Blocker: 15
Max Protect: 15
Overtime Killer: 1
Pass Blocker: 15
Pocket Defender: 15

Current Bonuses/Penalties
Agility: +3.4
Blocking: +7.28
Hold block chance: +21%

http://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2471743

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Originally posted by zz man
It would depend on what type of pass attack you employ....ie if screens were part of the plan OL need more AGL

STR becomes less important in general and agents tend to focus more on BLK and AGL imo

Totally agree with this. Also, blocking LENGTH is important as well (as in, just how long do you expect the QB to hold on to the ball from the time of the snap?) Whenever you decide to do a TEAM concept of offense style, you need EVERY dot to fit into the scheme... perfect would be awesome... but less than very good is gonna be a heartache. So I would figure out exactly what your playbook is gonna look like... and what you plan on emphasizing... and build to suit that attack.

As for building quality pass blocking O-linemen... you don't have to sell out with all Pass Blocking Arches only. In fact, I would probably still build run block in the middle (if not doing a LOT of screens) and use the Run Block arch but build it slightly towards the pass side... meaning more vision and agility than you normally put into a Run Block arch, and a touch less strength. Remember that most defenses you'll face will have DT's in the middle that are strength beasts and will eat up a pass block arch center. THat poor guy will be roadkill with his ass getting caked about 30 times a game. A caked dot can't block shit. Stuff to ponder.

Thanks everyone! Very useful information! What I would like to do is just throw from the pocket downfield, no screens. I own a team and in a few seasons when I start over, I'm going to make the entire oline myself and see if I can succeed passing every down.

Originally posted by ewinter43
Thanks everyone! Very useful information! What I would like to do is just throw from the pocket downfield, no screens. I own a team and in a few seasons when I start over, I'm going to make the entire oline myself and see if I can succeed passing every down.

In that case I'd go this way. I'd go with Run Block arches in the middle. I'd get their strength to 95-100 natural but no higher... which means do NOT use one of your PERMANENT multi training slots for strength. Instead I'd choose Agility, Blocking, and Vision. as my three fixed slots. I'd use the open slot to get strength (as fast as you can) to the numbers I gave you... then I would stop training strength and switch to Speed. What I would aim for is something like 100 strength, 95 agility, 90 blocking, 70 vision, 70 speed (and at least 41 confidence for OTK)... and 65 stamina MINIMUM for all those skills. I'd go after Pass AEQ (hold block is still a good one for this) and Pass VA's and Pass SA's. I'd also set to pass block instead of run block.
Why? When you pass block vision is much more important than when you run block. Spotting blitzes and picking up blocks are key. Agility helps you from getting 'zipped around' by more agile blitzing CB's and LB's... and enough strength to hold a block long enough to get the pass off. Also, I would choose BALANCE as my extra SA for all my O-linemen. It really helps avoid getting caked instantly by giant muscle DT's. Instead you just take a step back and re-engage the block again (or at least attempt to). It's good for an extra second for your QB to get the pass off.
Personally, with a Pass Only offense, I think I'd go with a Pocket Passer arch instead of the Bomber style. Reason? Most of your throws are going to be short to medium instead of all bombs all the time. Even a passing offense needs to move the chains just like a rushing one does. Maybe if you go with 2 QB's, I'd have one of each. Still, I suspect a well built Pocket QB will end up being more successful overall. A boomer QB works real awesome with a balanced attack because it only needs to catch the defense ONE TIME in the wrong situation to drop a bomb over their heads. But he gets that chance because the team runs the ball which means the defense must respect the run... which means the QB gets his chance when he goes deep to get that one-on-one matchup that can be exploited. YOU plan on almost always passing which means every DC you play against will be set to stop the pass... and won't play the run at all... which means you need a QB that can thread needles with pinpoint accuracy on those short and medium routes.. and who has a real quick release. The Pocket arch is the better arch for that style of passing. A Deep Passer can still do a decent job doing that but it's called a Deep Passer for a reason. Get the tool that fits the job.

Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
Originally posted by ewinter43

Thanks everyone! Very useful information! What I would like to do is just throw from the pocket downfield, no screens. I own a team and in a few seasons when I start over, I'm going to make the entire oline myself and see if I can succeed passing every down.

In that case I'd go this way. I'd go with Run Block arches in the middle. I'd get their strength to 95-100 natural but no higher... which means do NOT use one of your PERMANENT multi training slots for strength. Instead I'd choose Agility, Blocking, and Vision. as my three fixed slots. I'd use the open slot to get strength (as fast as you can) to the numbers I gave you... then I would stop training strength and switch to Speed. What I would aim for is something like 100 strength, 95 agility, 90 blocking, 70 vision, 70 speed (and at least 41 confidence for OTK)... and 65 stamina MINIMUM for all those skills. I'd go after Pass AEQ (hold block is still a good one for this) and Pass VA's and Pass SA's. I'd also set to pass block instead of run block.
Why? When you pass block vision is much more important than when you run block. Spotting blitzes and picking up blocks are key. Agility helps you from getting 'zipped around' by more agile blitzing CB's and LB's... and enough strength to hold a block long enough to get the pass off. Also, I would choose BALANCE as my extra SA for all my O-linemen. It really helps avoid getting caked instantly by giant muscle DT's. Instead you just take a step back and re-engage the block again (or at least attempt to). It's good for an extra second for your QB to get the pass off.
Personally, with a Pass Only offense, I think I'd go with a Pocket Passer arch instead of the Bomber style. Reason? Most of your throws are going to be short to medium instead of all bombs all the time. Even a passing offense needs to move the chains just like a rushing one does. Maybe if you go with 2 QB's, I'd have one of each. Still, I suspect a well built Pocket QB will end up being more successful overall. A boomer QB works real awesome with a balanced attack because it only needs to catch the defense ONE TIME in the wrong situation to drop a bomb over their heads. But he gets that chance because the team runs the ball which means the defense must respect the run... which means the QB gets his chance when he goes deep to get that one-on-one matchup that can be exploited. YOU plan on almost always passing which means every DC you play against will be set to stop the pass... and won't play the run at all... which means you need a QB that can thread needles with pinpoint accuracy on those short and medium routes.. and who has a real quick release. The Pocket arch is the better arch for that style of passing. A Deep Passer can still do a decent job doing that but it's called a Deep Passer for a reason. Get the tool that fits the job.

just no

build a run block arch for all positions - if you want a pass block arch at LT for the VA's that's fine

also, no one has shown the benefits of 70 vision - bhall did a bunch of tests - I 60-cap it and that may even be wasting SP there

heh, I still think pass block arch is the way to go, the bonus to pass block SA and foundation/protect is nice, but the ability to get max protect VA is really, really nice. Plus, as was pointed out earlier, you can still get 140+ strength with a good build. It's plenty in an all-pass offense.

also, blitzes absolutely crush us, red eyes all over the place, with vision between 60-65. Shoot for 65-70 and a bit of spot blitz. Not a ton of teams blitz, but if you're going all-pass, the last thing you want is to be really vulnerable to blitzes.