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Novus
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Originally posted by Bane
I think the facepalms are because nobody wants a punter or kicker hogging an endorsement spot on their team


If you don't have anyone else on your team with an MVP endorsement, though, what do you have to lose?
 
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Originally posted by Novus
Why the facepalms?


Let's see...

Originally posted by Novus
Eh, if you could guarantee an endorsement piece for your Kicker for all of next season just by having him punt in a couple of blowout games this season, wouldn't you do it? That endorsement piece could end up helping you get a couple of extra FGs next season that you might not have gotten otherwise, and just 1 FG can easily turn a game.

The more I think about it, the more I think I'll suggest that for any team I'm ever on where that team's Kicker is near the top of the MVP standings. Trot the kicker out there as the punter too for a couple of blowout games, and watch the lulz commence when he gets the MVP endorsement at the end of the season.

We'll see if y'all still don't think that's an exploit then.


1) Martin Margiela is already making a very high % of his FGs... I doubt the +3 strength, +2 kicking MVP is making a big difference. He makes all of his FGs from under 50 yards, and even has a nice stats for 50+ yard FGs - 8/9 this season. Not many Kickers in the WL have a better % than that.

2) He has missed 1 FG this season (from 56 yards) and made 116/117 extra points... even without the punting stats he'd probably be leading the K/P MVP race.

3) Most importantly, though:Originally posted by Bane
nobody wants a punter or kicker hogging an endorsement spot on their team


You are limited to 3 endorsements pr. team, so if your K gets the MVP gear you potentially rob your best players of a +3 attribute, +5% chance endorsement or whatever the other kinds of endorsements give.
Edited by kwankwan on Mar 5, 2013 11:50:44
 
Novus
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Eh, I guess I'm just not making my point very well.

Here's my main point: I really don't think Bort and Catch intended for a Kicker to zoom to the top of the MVP standings just by taking a few punts in a blowout game.

That's my main point. Ignore everything else.
 
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the difference appears to be in punting average

kicker part appears to be ok, but the punting portion shows a clear dropoff
 
vinman
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Yeah that punting average is terrible, not worth it.
 
kwankwan
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Originally posted by Novus
Eh, I guess I'm just not making my point very well.

Here's my main point: I really don't think Bort and Catch intended for a Kicker to zoom to the top of the MVP standings just by taking a few punts in a blowout game.

That's my main point. Ignore everything else.


No worries, if you didn't know about the maximum of 3 endorsements pr. team, fine.

I guess MVP rankings are somewhat hard to do right. I figure Bort and co. never thought about a hybrid K/P (since it actually ends up hurting the team in terms of endorsements).
Based om MM's #1 ranking.. I*m not sure. Even without the punts he could still be ranked #1 given his performance this season. If you really want to test your theory you should have your K punt the last two games and see if he is advancing in the global/conference K/P standings.
 
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Originally posted by kwankwan
No worries, if you didn't know about the maximum of 3 endorsements pr. team, fine.

I guess MVP rankings are somewhat hard to do right. I figure Bort and co. never thought about a hybrid K/P (since it actually ends up hurting the team in terms of endorsements).
Based om MM's #1 ranking.. I*m not sure. Even without the punts he could still be ranked #1 given his performance this season. If you really want to test your theory you should have your K punt the last two games and see if he is advancing in the global/conference K/P standings.


Probably wouldn't work with my particular kicker... my team is doing an experiment with a 2-kicker system, so my kicker only does kickoffs, and our teams other kicker only does FGs and XPs. So neither of our kickers will ever be in a position to win MVP.

We'll have to find some other team willing to try it out.
 
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kickers that punt are for suckers
punters that kick off are where it's at

Punter (although the last few seasons his teams haven't allowed him to kick off, sadly, I blame McBriar) http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2202014
Kicker focused entirely on FGs rather than kickoffs (soon to be top 50 in the all time rankings) http://goallineblitz.com/game/player_awards.pl?player_id=2201787
 
kwankwan
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Originally posted by TrevJo

Kicker focused entirely on FGs rather than kickoffs (soon to be top 50 in the all time rankings) http://goallineblitz.com/game/player_awards.pl?player_id=2201787


Considering he is entirely focused on FGs, he should be doing much better from 50+ yards. Since S26 he has missed a lot of FGs.
Comparing him to the K from this thread, lol has a much lower FG% from 50+ yards, despite having almost 40 points more kicking.

Him being in the top 50 is weird on that account, but that's really no surprise seeing how the HOF standings work.
 
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Originally posted by TrevJo
kickers that punt are for suckers
punters that kick off are where it's at

Punter (although the last few seasons his teams haven't allowed him to kick off, sadly, I blame McBriar) http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2202014
Kicker focused entirely on FGs rather than kickoffs (soon to be top 50 in the all time rankings) http://goallineblitz.com/game/player_awards.pl?player_id=2201787


this actually makes a lot of sense
 
Theo Wizzago
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Back to the OP, it is something I've seen several PeeWee teams try (Kicker only... no punter... and use the kicker for punting.) It does give you that extra slot on your roster... but I'm not completely sure how the overall effect/gain balances out.
 
Bane
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^ yea it's OK for peewee because you don't punt in peewee
 
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If you have a K who is also P (successfully) it can give him a slight edge in the MVP race and it is working as intended, if someone wants to experiment with different builds to try to accomplish this that's ok.

Hopefully that helps somewhat with the conspiracy? Any questions please PM support.
 
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Originally posted by TrevJo
kickers that punt are for suckers
punters that kick off are where it's at

Punter (although the last few seasons his teams haven't allowed him to kick off, sadly, I blame McBriar) http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2202014
Kicker focused entirely on FGs rather than kickoffs (soon to be top 50 in the all time rankings) http://goallineblitz.com/game/player_awards.pl?player_id=2201787


He's got a point, my punter is nailing kickoffs
 
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