Warrior General Games

Originally posted by English Pats Fan
Strength is a major for Pass Rushers, below Speed and Agility. Too weak and he'll get pancaked by big O Lineman.

Remind me to never have you talk about anything, ever.

Speed DL/DE

A pass rusher end is a smaller defensive lineman. He is fast and agile, and is able to use his agility to get past slower blockers. He tends to rack up lots of sacks and hurries, making passing difficult. However, he tends to be a liability versus the run game, due to his lack of size and strength.

(DE) 5'11" - 6'4", 240-280 Lbs
(DT) 6'0" - 6'5", 250-300 Lbs
Major Agility Speed Tackling Vision (+.5)
Minor Confidence Stamina Strength (+.33)
Bonus SA's (DE) - First Step, Tunnel Vision
Bonus SA's (DT) - Shed Block, Swat Ball
Penalty SA's (DE) - Wall, Strong Base
Penalty SA's (DT) - Wall, Break Thru

You have no clue what your talking about man

You just edited your post twice,

I'm not going to change my view, without at least adequate strength your guy will struggle.

Also if you think Strength is on the same level as Confidence and Stamina then your knowledge of builds is clearly questionable.

Originally posted by English Pats Fan
You just edited your post twice,

I'm not going to change my view, without at least adequate strength your guy will struggle.

1) I edited it twice to bold the key parts for you
2) I stated Strength was not a major for a speed DE. You stated it was a major. I showed proof by displaying the speed DE archtype and what its majors and minors were where it shows strength is not a major.
3) I have never mentioned anything about confidence or stamina so not sure why you even brought that up??
4) Until you can build a better dot than me or beat one of my teams than you can't question my knowledge on dot building.

Admit you were wrong for saying strength was a "major" for a speed DE and move on

Originally posted by whodey08
1) I edited it twice to bold the key parts for you
2) I stated Strength was not a major for a speed DE. You stated it was a major. I showed proof by displaying the speed DE archtype and what its majors and minors were where it shows strength is not a major.
3) I have never mentioned anything about confidence or stamina so not sure why you even brought that up??
4) Until you can build a better dot than me or beat one of my teams than you can't question my knowledge on dot building.

Admit you were wrong for saying strength was a "major" for a speed DE and move on


Your 4th factor is plain stupid. Beating one of your teams is not related at all to dot building.
Is that why 2 other guys have said Strength is important and is the 3rd attribute? Lol, not even worth talking about, I don't care what the archetype says, everybody knows that if your DE is a puny weak guy he will just get pancaked. And it's not a Speed DE, it's a Pass Rushing DE, which involves having good strength.

Originally posted by English Pats Fan
Your 4th factor is plain stupid. Beating one of your teams is not related at all to dot building.
Is that why 2 other guys have said Strength is important and is the 3rd attribute? Lol, not even worth talking about, I don't care what the archetype says, everybody knows that if your DE is a puny weak guy he will just get pancaked. And it's not a Speed DE, it's a Pass Rushing DE, which involves having good strength.

I agree strength is important. I am not debating that point with you. Its just my opinion that you have to give up some strength to be a great pass rusher. Yes...you can be a liability but you can also be a great weapon for getting sacks if you go with speed/agility/vision/tackling and switch in strength once speed is done.

Its just a matter of opinion is all. This whole debate got started by me pointing out that strength was not a "major" for a pass rush DE and you said it was and for me to not talk about anything to you. I was just pointing your error in saying strength was a "major" is all because it isn't

Originally posted by whodey08
I agree strength is important. I am not debating that point with you. Its just my opinion that you have to give up some strength to be a great pass rusher. Yes...you can be a liability but you can also be a great weapon for getting sacks if you go with speed/agility/vision/tackling and switch in strength once speed is done.

Its just a matter of opinion is all. This whole debate got started by me pointing out that strength was not a "major" for a pass rush DE and you said it was and for me to not talk about anything to you. I was just pointing your error in saying strength was a "major" is all because it isn't

Well it's a clash of opinions, which is fair enough, just in the future, don't say somebody doesn't know what they're talking about because they have a different view to you

I'm not debating that Agility and Speed will help a Pass Rusher become much more effective but it's just my opinion that without strength, there's no foundation and getting to the passer will be a lot harder. Maybe not recognised as a major by an archetype page but everybody follows their own build guidelines and many on here will also agree that Strength is a major for a DE, regardless of archetype. Heck, archetypes put Confidence and Stamina as minors, the same level as strength, not at all right.

You say people put strength as a major regardless of archtype. I think your classifying a "major' as to its importance in the build whereas I am stating a "major" as getting .50 ALG gains versus a minor that only gets .33 ALG gains. When I said strength wasn't a major I meant that it wasn't getting the same ALG value as other attributes that are "majors".

Originally posted by whodey08
You say people put strength as a major regardless of archtype. I think your classifying a "major' as to its importance in the build whereas I am stating a "major" as getting .50 ALG gains versus a minor that only gets .33 ALG gains. When I said strength wasn't a major I meant that it wasn't getting the same ALG value as other attributes that are "majors".

Oh, well I'm classing it as one of the major attributes, not the top one. Personally I'd put it behind Speed and Agility but that's just me......

I'm gonna concentrate on speed and agility for now. Should I consider boosting stamina, knowing that other players my level have low stamina? That way I can outperform in the 4th quarter.

Originally posted by PackAttack
I'm gonna concentrate on speed and agility for now. Should I consider boosting stamina, knowing that other players my level have low stamina? That way I can outperform in the 4th quarter.

I think it depends more on the energy settings on your team, I wouldn't really invest in Stamina as it's still quite early in your dots career.

Originally posted by PackAttack
I'm gonna concentrate on speed and agility for now. Should I consider boosting stamina, knowing that other players my level have low stamina? That way I can outperform in the 4th quarter.

You need to take your agility first to 85+ (because you have started with that attribute) and then concentrate on speed! Obviously you should start multitraining speed also, keep on training agility so that you get it over 100 (without eq)

Wether u consider something to be second or 3rd or 4th of importance to a particular postion has no bearing whatsoever on it being a 'major'. And no one in the forums talks about them in that way. Being a top 4 attrib in importance and being a major are not the same thing.

With that being said yes 95% of most builders will consider STR to be either #2 or #3 importance in the build for a cookie cutter pass rush arch DE build. However a lot of guys will build a pure SPD guy and will not value STR as much as most people.