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Is there an out of position penalty if a kicker punts or a punter kicks? is there one for anyone else punting? i assume there is but not certain.

I will have a rookie team and don't want to carry a punter for the first season or two since they never seem to punt it far enough to be worthwhile, and won't punt at all except in very limited circumstances.

Will the kicker be the best sub for punter due to OOPP/mechanics or would it be better to have the strongest guy (like a DT) boot it? Or some other answer?

I'm sure someone has tried this--any insights? appreciated, thanks.

If you don't want a punter punting, then why in the world would you want a non-punter punting? Just setup your O AI to never punt.

You would be better off just signing a punter and locking him down. You may regret your decision 2 seasons down the road if you don't.

Originally posted by Dub J
You would be better off just signing a punter and locking him down. You may regret your decision 2 seasons down the road.

We got a plan, Dub.

Build the K like this and save a roster spot http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2256535

Originally posted by Golan
Build the K like this and save a roster spot http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2256535

that's interesting for some teams, but wont' work in our situation (nonboosting, only 7 season career) as won't have time for build to balance sufficiently and would just be bad at both

.Originally posted by Plankton
If you don't want a punter punting, then why in the world would you want a non-punter punting? Just setup your O AI to never punt.

pretty much this--we'll go for it on almost every 4th down, at least for the first rookie season and perhaps the 2nd... but for like 4th and 15 from our own 5 or something we might want to punt and just curious which non-punter would be the best punter.

A Punter with 50 Punting only gets about 20 yards per punt. I imagine a non-punter would get 10 yards at best. Not sure it matters which position you pick.

really not worth saving that one roster spot for a non boosting team tbh.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2092688&playoffs=0

Started in Pee Gold.

26 Yards per punt in season one
28.7 in season two
30.4 in season three
34.9 in season four

It was before they kept the stats on out of bounds punts, but I've always believed that a punter is worth it, especially if you have better special teams than the other guy. The more STOPs you have in the lower levels, the more energy you are draining from their regular starters and backups, therefore keeping your starters and backups fresher.

To add to TimeTrial's point, the punter on my Rookie team started off the season with 1st capped Punting and was only getting about 20 yards per punt. However, by the playoffs, he was averaging over 30 yards per punt. Thus, a real punter will actually be reasonably good in time for the playoffs (and isn't that all that really matters, assuming you care at all about rookie season).

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player_game_log.pl?player_id=4296754

Back in the day when amount of playing time mattered to a dot's experience gains, we did this all the time. But the way the game is now it's not necessary.
That said, I've always wondered about gaining an extra roster slot by not signing a punter and simply using a kicker to punt. Why not? So many teams hardly ever punt anyways and short punts are much harder to return for TD's because the blockers don't have time to set up wedges and such and returners find themselves almost smothered by the time they even catch the ball. I know field position is a good thing but... so is having an extra player on your roster.

Originally posted by Plankton
A Punter with 50 Punting only gets about 20 yards per punt. I imagine a non-punter would get 10 yards at best. Not sure it matters which position you pick. 50 punting but not much strength yet...would having an NT with 50 strength but no punting accomplish the same? how much of the punting skill is the booting and how much is the aiming & coffin corner stuff...it doesn't take a lot of skill to just kick it as hard as you can as far as you can...hang time might not be as good, but if you slot the NT at punter on depth chart I assume the slider comes up in their tactics page.

Originally posted by Time Trial
...26 Yards per punt in season one.....

Originally posted by Plankton
... Punting and was only getting about 20 yards per punt. However, by the playoffs, he was averaging over 30 yards per punt....

these are gross not net, though, right?... at low levels they punt 20-25 yards and the returner brings it back 10-15...net gain 10. might as well go for it on 4th most of the time, which what my rookie teams have usually seemed to end up doing in the past, so a punter is a luxury

Originally posted by fogie55
50 punting but not much strength yet...would having an NT with 50 strength but no punting accomplish the same? .

Consider that the punter's strength only increased a few points over the season from training, yet the punting average increased alot (30 yards is 50% more than 20 yards). I think that clearly shows that the Punting skill is the major contributor to punting distance. If I had to guess, I would say that it is something like 70% Punting Skill, 25% Strength, 5% Jumping. Thus, your NT with 50 Strength is likely to only get 25% of the distance (and that ignores the OOP penalty).


Originally posted by fogie55
these are gross not net, though, right?... at low levels they punt 20-25 yards and the returner brings it back 10-15...net gain 10. might as well go for it on 4th most of the time, which what my rookie teams have usually seemed to end up doing in the past, so a punter is a luxury


I get your point. In fact, we went some games without punting even tho we had a punter. The thing is, you don't seem to be fully sold on it yourself, since you want to use a non-punter for certain situation. In my opinion, the choice is an all or nothing choice. If you have a 4th and 15 from your own 20, what is a better option? Have a non Punter kick it 10 yards (which might be returned for 10+ yards giving you a < 0 net gain) or throwing it long and hoping for the best (or maybe a long interception which can be as good as a punt)? I think if you don't want a punter, you really should just never punt....ever.

@fogie: So you're going to build and stash a Punter on a CPU team for the first two seasons? And are just curious who should punt in the meantime?

If so, that plan isn't terrible, and you may as well have the K punt in the few times you do.

Originally posted by fogie55
these are gross not net, though, right?... at low levels they punt 20-25 yards and the returner brings it back 10-15...net gain 10. might as well go for it on 4th most of the time, which what my rookie teams have usually seemed to end up doing in the past, so a punter is a luxury






I would have to check. I think there was enough hang time that my STOPs didn't give up a ton of yards.