Warrior General Games

Originally posted by merenoise
I don't hate it tbh. Needs to be simplified a good deal though in order to be palatable.

Originally posted by Myd
Reserving my +/-1 for an abridged version.

Originally posted by Gigolo Johnny D
tldr

Heh yeah its a bit of a Great Wall of China text to be sure. But it needed to be that long to convey the ideas in a way that would allow them not to be misunderstood.

That said, Readers Digest Version is....

Teams get to choose a team in their league (or optionally in a tourney they were in) as a Rival. The team they pick has to have a long term or quality relationship with them (been in the same league for several seasons or played big games or multiple close games or be close in standings). When you play a conference/tourney game against a Rival you get a plus to player performance and for home games fan support, the amount possibly varying with the quality and length of the rivalry.

And you get to sell Cowboys Suck T Shirts in the concession stands.

Originally posted by hatchman
Originally posted by yello1

Originally posted by hatchman


I don't guess this is a bad idea it is just one I do not think the game needs. we already have promotions that can be bought and they give a decent amount of help when bought. so in my opinion this isn't needed. again not a bad idea just not one that I would want for the game.

so no need to argue any points here Yello1 I am just speaking my opinion. that is all and nothing you will say will change that opinion. so no need to waste both of our times with another one of your long winded explanations telling me how I do not understand what you are saying.

I will actually say yes you are right, this is not NEEDED at all.

It is pure chrome.

More choices more variety is all. Also it can make something that sometimes is absent or at best abstract into a more tangible to be looked forward to thing - it can make a real rivalry of sorts. At least a game you look forward to beyond the normal variety. Let me clarify that - it lets you have a reason to look for rivals etc, brings the whole thing more to the fore.

But I think thats a good thing. Something to push boredom back a tad further, keeping people in the game longer.

But definitely well within the range of things about which opinion is a sole arbiter.

Originally posted by hatchman


winning is a very good way to keep people interested in the game. competitive leagues is another sure fire way to keep people interested. maybe just maybe if we got rid of the CPU teams and worked to make more competitive teams the game wouldn't be so boring as you say.

Thats true Horsebeater, but till that happens we can do other things too.

And that said, even with perfectly balanced teams and lots of winning all around we all get sick of playing checkers sooner or later. Thats why they made chess. And then they made MMOs. More is almost always better because we are a jaded bunch of SOBs when you get right down to it. So even winning needs Chrome.

Chrome is shiny, people like shiny.

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teams and leagues move around too much for rivalries ever to work

Originally posted by smokinbluegrass
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teams and leagues move around too much for rivalries ever to work

Less so in the National Pros. I have a team thats been in the OPro since Season 16 and there are other teams that have been there as long or longer. When you include stints in World League the number is even higher, and this idea allows for such stints.

But yes in the minors this would be less often used. But even then one needs only two seasons together.

And the tourney option would allow career long rivalries regardless of league.

just no.........

yeah I am a horsebeater that is like the pot calling the kettle black. you can spread your suggestion as you want to add some chrome or whatever it is you are trying to do. simply put you can put a pretty bow or some chrome on a turd and no matter what you do to the turd it is still a turd. all of the wanting more promotions or more free stuff isn't helping save the game. it is just adding more stupid assed fluff to the game. the game needs to look at trying to make all leagues competitive and get everyone back into the game due to competition. that is how the game will survive not by adding chrome as you say.

the funny thing is that most stuff like this that is suggested isn't going to happen. due to most people thinking that the rich will get richer. but I see it like this people that make suggestions like this are looking for a easy way for their teams to become more competitive. they aren't doing what they should to make their teams better. for example building better Dots, Recruiting better Dots, better Coordinating comes to mind. better scouting I mean a ton of different ways to make teams more competitive. but instead of doing those things and actually working to make their teams better. they want to suggest some way to get more promotions to get a little edge. or they want to be able to build CPU players to fill holes their team has. basically they want anything to help their team be more competitive without having to actually do the work to make the team better.

Biggest issue with this suggestion. It's too damned big. You really need to shorten these things. That said, the basic concept seems like something that would add to the game. But lets say it the easiest and most simple way possible.

The more rivalry points, the better the ticket and concession sales.

Don't need more than that.

Originally posted by hatchman
yeah I am a horsebeater that is like the pot calling the kettle black. you can spread your suggestion as you want to add some chrome or whatever it is you are trying to do. simply put you can put a pretty bow or some chrome on a turd and no matter what you do to the turd it is still a turd. all of the wanting more promotions or more free stuff isn't helping save the game. it is just adding more stupid assed fluff to the game. the game needs to look at trying to make all leagues competitive and get everyone back into the game due to competition. that is how the game will survive not by adding chrome as you say.

the funny thing is that most stuff like this that is suggested isn't going to happen. due to most people thinking that the rich will get richer. but I see it like this people that make suggestions like this are looking for a easy way for their teams to become more competitive. they aren't doing what they should to make their teams better. for example building better Dots, Recruiting better Dots, better Coordinating comes to mind. better scouting I mean a ton of different ways to make teams more competitive. but instead of doing those things and actually working to make their teams better. they want to suggest some way to get more promotions to get a little edge. or they want to be able to build CPU players to fill holes their team has. basically they want anything to help their team be more competitive without having to actually do the work to make the team better.

1) Did you miss my swipe at the league contractors vis a vis the pot and kettle thing? Thats my whole point. You all bash me for defending my ideas yet you all harp on league contraction ad nauseum for seasons despite Bort clearly not being interested. Which is fine by me. Its just a tad hypocritical to then bash me for defending a thread for a few days.

2) Yes, chrome will not fix the games problems. Its not supposed to. But it is a nice addition to the game all the same IMO. And a better sim too, aka if its in the game its in the GAME. Rivalries are, and their hype. Why not put it in GLB is my point. Not a game changer.

3) Stop being judgmental of other peoples play lest I bring out the Soup Ladle again. Doesnt matter why someone brings up an idea, or how they play. It only matters if the idea is better for the game or not.

Originally posted by Dr. E
Biggest issue with this suggestion. It's too damned big. You really need to shorten these things. That said, the basic concept seems like something that would add to the game. But lets say it the easiest and most simple way possible.

The more rivalry points, the better the ticket and concession sales.

Don't need more than that.

Well yes, but if I want Bort to actually implement it its helpful to lay out exactly how it might be done.

Particularly the logic of how to choose who could be a rival or not.

+1
I really like this

Originally posted by Team Nucleus
+1
I really like this

Me too actually. Some ideas I think are good for the game. But this one I would just have fun with.

I also have one for player rivals (like John Runyan v the stinking Giant guy WTF was his name) that I was putting together at the same time but I figured I would put them out sequentially. Maybe tomorrow. Look for it.

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Originally posted by hatchman
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u mad?

or bored?

I'd love to chat but I was just peaking in to do something and then have to get other stuff done. Maybe I can come back later and entertain then.

just trying to help you out if you see that you have a few suggestions on the first page you may take a day or 2 off