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lol I think you missed the "Haha, I'm just joking with you" part. I knew you would get riled over it which is the fun part. It's always an irony with you since most people actually think you are the one with the ego problem.

Where in my post did I said everyone copied my whole defensive schemes. Maybe there is a truth to it that bothers you. By the way, my system doesn't focus on zone defense and as far as outside safety zone goes, it was LSM (Lone Star Mercenaries) that came up with the idea along with many other innovations. Sorry to break it this to you but you weren't first of anything.

The popular defensive schemes that is used today is the double coverage system which was rarely ever used in the earlier seasons. Most teams were blitzing teams. There were only three coordinators that exclusively used it, mccollums, me, and dony. Misconception is the fact that you think the dbs has to be outside of the wr/cb for the concept to work. In the earlier seasons you only needed to put it right on top of the WR (instead of outside) and it would still get the job done which is what I did as early as S13. It was only after couple of sim changes we decided to move it toward the outside. Mccollums still does a fine job without having them far outside.

I always get a good laugh when people get butt hurt over the fact that they were influenced. I didn't have problem admitting that LSM influenced my style, what's the big deal. Just because tony dungy/kiffin came up with the tampa 2 defense doesn't mean everyone who uses them are some copy catting pretenders.

But yeah if it makes you sleep at night, believe whatever you want. Actually there are a lot of guys that already admitted this to me and asked for more help and it doesn't seems to bother them at all. Just to make it clear, this isn't meant to disrespect anyone. It would be if you think like Gerr but I'm sure nobody is offended by my statement.

Originally posted by Gerr
The only person who can make you a Gold level talent is YOU!!! But it requires some work on your part...

Step #1...learn the defensive side of the ball first. Pick a Gold team known for good defenses and make a couple defensive dots for them. This gives you access to their build guides and personnel. Plus it gives you access to a Gold level DC if you have questions.

Step #3...watch your Gold team closely every game and try to figure out their defensive scheme. It's unlikely any Gold owner will give you access to their defense, but most DC's would be more than willing to answer questions, so don't be afraid to ask! When watching the defense, first try to identify all or most of the plays used and when they are called. Most Gold teams use either down & distance or tagging or a combo of both for their play calling. Use this to build your AI.

Step #4...Once you have identified the different defensive plays and when they are called, try to mimic them on your Copper team. This is easier said than done as now you have to examine each play and try to rebuild it. This will take some trial and error and will require you to watch a lot of game film, but this is part of your learning experience. Don't be afraid to ask the DC on the Gold team questions, most of us are more than willing to help someone who is trying to learn.


First of all...with step 1, CONTACT the OWNER. Some owners will be very willing to help you, others will not. Some gold teams do not and will not supply any sort of build guide, so don't assume all teams do that. Finally...to join a team to steal their build guide w/o asking is a very DOUCHE move. Ask them for it, and most will let you use it...if they don't, then they're a dick and find a different team.

With step 3 & 4, Bevo touched on this subject. In PeeWee, builds are VERY important. As Bevo said, you might see a FS on one team be able to play m2m on WR2 and still stop the outside sweep. Most FS's won't be able to do this...so it doesn't necessarily mean that your defense is messed up; it may be that your builds don't work with that defense.

Also, players can do very different things at the beginning of a PW season than they can later in the season. Each year you typically see a good team that coasted through much of the season and then did well in the playoffs with new defensive plays. They then go into the next season with the same DAI and get crushed...level 1 dots can't do what their level 13 dots did.

So just b/c your team can't shut down other teams with seemingly the same defense, it might not be the defense. And finally, it takes a semi-trained eye to copy a defense...you may want to make some test defenses to see how a m2m can look different than a zone, etc.

I did develop the outside zone approach on my own without copying it from anyone, but it sounds like LSM did it first. But that goes to my point about PW defenses evolving and many of the ideas now in use might have been discovered by miltiple teams. Thats why I wasnt sure if I had the idea on safety outside zones first or not.

As for missing your humor, ya, totally missed that. Sundays are my first day off and is when I like to catch up on sleep, but my 4 month old daughter decided to wake up at 5:30am and stay up, so I was in a bad mood when I read your post and total missed your humor, sorry.

I never copied, and was always innovating to see what else might work in Pee Wee. I never ran an experimental team to try and figure out this stuff, I gambled and ran my experiments on my main team in Gold.

Who ran pump fakes first? Me, in the season BEFORE pump fakes showed on the replay. Other people took them to 8 before I did, but I was running 5 in PF before anyone ever saw it on the replay. And LE pointed out that the 'only reason Dharma is in contention this season is because he invested in PF before everyone saw how effective it was."

This season I'm not running a team, but I'm experimenting with cut blocks, head fakes, and different coverage schemes. Pee Wee tends to get stagnant, so I'm here to fuck shit up again and break the Gold teams out of their ruts. I don't plan on being competitive in Pee Wee again on my own, I'm much more interested in my Minor league team, but investing in new ideas is the best way to change the game again. My NT1 with 10 points in Aura of Intimidation was a big hit. Pee Wee dots don't have much confidence, and I was draining 3-5 morale on every single play that dot was in play, back when morale affected play in every quarter.

SAs are big game changers in Pee Wee, I'm going to see what else works.

Originally posted by Gerr
I did develop the outside zone approach on my own without copying it from anyone, but it sounds like LSM did it first. But that goes to my point about PW defenses evolving and many of the ideas now in use might have been discovered by miltiple teams. Thats why I wasnt sure if I had the idea on safety outside zones first or not.

As for missing your humor, ya, totally missed that. Sundays are my first day off and is when I like to catch up on sleep, but my 4 month old daughter decided to wake up at 5:30am and stay up, so I was in a bad mood when I read your post and total missed your humor, sorry.

Yeah it's all good I have to admit I think I was being little bit harsh when I said you didn't come up with anything because you were one of the only guy that used zone defense exclusively and I remember being impressed by it since I just didn't think it would work in PW. I actually started using little bit of zone defense in my system recently (before I quit) as well because I realized the limitation of the double coverage system. It's why I love the current sim. Variance is just too high to cover everything with one type of defense. I even blitzed a lot last season.

But yeah I'm not trying to brag or anything but when I was scouting last season I was really surprised how so many teams were adopting my schemes, and the positioning and the coverage assignments were just too similar to just write it off as coincidence. This is in no way trying to disrespect anyone, in fact it's the opposite since I'm really flattered by it. It's what encouraged me to start a group to help people out. Right now it's for only exclusive members but I do planning on revealing it to everyone some day.

Originally posted by Time Trial
I never copied, and was always innovating to see what else might work in Pee Wee. I never ran an experimental team to try and figure out this stuff, I gambled and ran my experiments on my main team in Gold.

Who ran pump fakes first? Me, in the season BEFORE pump fakes showed on the replay. Other people took them to 8 before I did, but I was running 5 in PF before anyone ever saw it on the replay. And LE pointed out that the 'only reason Dharma is in contention this season is because he invested in PF before everyone saw how effective it was."

This season I'm not running a team, but I'm experimenting with cut blocks, head fakes, and different coverage schemes. Pee Wee tends to get stagnant, so I'm here to fuck shit up again and break the Gold teams out of their ruts. I don't plan on being competitive in Pee Wee again on my own, I'm much more interested in my Minor league team, but investing in new ideas is the best way to change the game again. My NT1 with 10 points in Aura of Intimidation was a big hit. Pee Wee dots don't have much confidence, and I was draining 3-5 morale on every single play that dot was in play, back when morale affected play in every quarter.

SAs are big game changers in Pee Wee, I'm going to see what else works.

I agree You are one of the biggest innovators. When you rage quit and opened up your builds back then, I was shocked how different and crazy the builds were, and yet you were still winning games. Good to see you back!

I have to agree with everybody even though there is nothing to agree on but fact

Gerr taught me for something like 3 seasons helping me run my defense while he showed me many things, I definitely use some of his styles in my game today, but now most of my ideas are things that I had come up with on my own.

Last season I can't deny that I "used some of RKs defense", I thought some of his plays were simply awesome. Not to mention, it was hard to see a defense do as well as his did, with almost no work game by game, that defense was just stifling.

I think this season I've gotten away from the kosher defense, now combining zones, m2m and blitzing pretty well. I actually used flat zones for the first time ever earlier in the season, and some deep coverage, which I've never done either...

tbqh, its more fun developing your own defense, but it is helpful to look at the way others defend against plays.

Also, people in the upper levels came up with everything before everybody here, sorry yall

Originally posted by zmj44
Also, people in the upper levels came up with everything before everybody here, sorry yall

Things that work in the upper levels don't work in Pee Wee and you know it.