Originally posted by Peshawar
What he ^ said.
, 'cause that's why I am in a copper league.
me 2
What he ^ said.
, 'cause that's why I am in a copper league.me 2
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Originally posted by Ghetto Witch Dr
I would have to disagree for one reason and one reason only. New owners.
I had a Pee Wee team that I bought halfway through the season and I wanted to check and work out an A.I. for and I did not want to get into a Silver League because I would have no chance to win any games and see what was working and what wasn't. I also filled the team with my own guys except for 4 of them.
After being 3-4 levels below people and still winning some games we found a solid balance. If I would have been forced into a Silver league I would have been 3 and out most of the season and I would not have been able to work on the O.A.I. as much as I could in the Copper League.
Per my suggestion, at the time you bought a copper team all the silver teams would have been sold and copper teams would be open. You put yourself behind the 8ball by buying a team mid season. In my suggestion you could do the same thing in the pre season by waiting until silver sells out and buying a copper or buying a silver team and being on the same level as everyone else.
There should be no expectation of winning at any level when you buy a team halfway through a season and stock it with players below the leagues average level.
I would have to disagree for one reason and one reason only. New owners.
I had a Pee Wee team that I bought halfway through the season and I wanted to check and work out an A.I. for and I did not want to get into a Silver League because I would have no chance to win any games and see what was working and what wasn't. I also filled the team with my own guys except for 4 of them.
After being 3-4 levels below people and still winning some games we found a solid balance. If I would have been forced into a Silver league I would have been 3 and out most of the season and I would not have been able to work on the O.A.I. as much as I could in the Copper League.
Per my suggestion, at the time you bought a copper team all the silver teams would have been sold and copper teams would be open. You put yourself behind the 8ball by buying a team mid season. In my suggestion you could do the same thing in the pre season by waiting until silver sells out and buying a copper or buying a silver team and being on the same level as everyone else.
There should be no expectation of winning at any level when you buy a team halfway through a season and stock it with players below the leagues average level.
Originally posted by Gigolo Johnny D
There should be no expectation of winning at any level when you buy a team halfway through a season and stock it with players below the leagues average level.
I did not disagree with your OP other than I would not force new owners who have nothing in the brain cell department of how to run a Pee Wee team into a league of 30 or so owners that do. What fun is that for the new guys. They are going to get their asses kicked 255 to 0.
I may have put my self behind the 8 as you said, but I left me a bank shot to recover. Meaning, if I would have went to Silver after game 5 like I did when I bought the Copper, I would have been 3-4 levels behind everyone and not been able to see any Offense from my team and my Defense would be on the field more than my Offense but sadly my S.T.U. would have been the highlight of the season and I would have not known what to adjust in the A.I.'s. We still lost games, but won more than we lost and at the same time was able to maintain games where we were out leveled. Giving us the chance to work on the A.I.
All I am saying is, I would not force people into a league that they do not want in. GLB'ers say lolPeeWee but to be hypocritical we as Pee Wee say lolCopper. So is being in and winning in Copper really any bragging rights. No one is going to run into the Silver bragging about going 16-0 and 4-0 in Copper when all they had was 4 human teams in Copper and 3 of them was in the other Conference. I mean really, I used Copper to work on the A.I. and not using Copper in wining Gold. Which I think that a lot of Copper owners try that. Than when they move to Silver that is where the fun begins and if they make it to Gold, that is where the head aches begin.
There should be no expectation of winning at any level when you buy a team halfway through a season and stock it with players below the leagues average level.
I did not disagree with your OP other than I would not force new owners who have nothing in the brain cell department of how to run a Pee Wee team into a league of 30 or so owners that do. What fun is that for the new guys. They are going to get their asses kicked 255 to 0.
I may have put my self behind the 8 as you said, but I left me a bank shot to recover. Meaning, if I would have went to Silver after game 5 like I did when I bought the Copper, I would have been 3-4 levels behind everyone and not been able to see any Offense from my team and my Defense would be on the field more than my Offense but sadly my S.T.U. would have been the highlight of the season and I would have not known what to adjust in the A.I.'s. We still lost games, but won more than we lost and at the same time was able to maintain games where we were out leveled. Giving us the chance to work on the A.I.
All I am saying is, I would not force people into a league that they do not want in. GLB'ers say lolPeeWee but to be hypocritical we as Pee Wee say lolCopper. So is being in and winning in Copper really any bragging rights. No one is going to run into the Silver bragging about going 16-0 and 4-0 in Copper when all they had was 4 human teams in Copper and 3 of them was in the other Conference. I mean really, I used Copper to work on the A.I. and not using Copper in wining Gold. Which I think that a lot of Copper owners try that. Than when they move to Silver that is where the fun begins and if they make it to Gold, that is where the head aches begin.
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Originally posted by Ghetto Witch Dr
All I am saying is, I would not force people into a league that they do not want in. GLB'ers say lolPeeWee but to be hypocritical we as Pee Wee say lolCopper. So is being in and winning in Copper really any bragging rights. No one is going to run into the Silver bragging about going 16-0 and 4-0 in Copper when all they had was 4 human teams in Copper and 3 of them was in the other Conference. I mean really, I used Copper to work on the A.I. and not using Copper in wining Gold. Which I think that a lot of Copper owners try that. Than when they move to Silver that is where the fun begins and if they make it to Gold, that is where the head aches begin.
What I am getting at is that it waters down silver to have cpu teams in it, but have active game planning owners in copper. Few silver leagues are so stacked that a new owner cannot compete if they are there from day 1. I am in a silver league right now that has 4 cpu owned teams, a few human owned teams with all/mostly cpu players and even an Iron Man team that probably wont compete well against non Iron teams. Any new owner who is truly interested in learning the AI can still compete in my league, I can promise you that. They might even make the play-offs if they are smart enough to figure out the AI before mid-season.
What do you really learn playing against 25 cpu teams and a couple others that usually have 1 star offensive player that someone is trying to earn an MVP trophy for? You could probably use cpu players with basic tactics and make a conference title game in copper. You cannot learn what works against real competition unless you play that real competition.
And to repeat my point, in the format I suggested you would have been able to buy a copper team in week 5. The difference would have been that all the silver league would have been filled by humans. I see that you've been around for over two years, but why do you expect to be able to compete with out-leveled dots 9 games behind everyone else and with no OAI experience? To me that makes as much sense as giving all the kids a trophy at the end of the season even if their team was terrible, or making sure all the games end in a tie so no ones feelings are hurt.
All I am saying is, I would not force people into a league that they do not want in. GLB'ers say lolPeeWee but to be hypocritical we as Pee Wee say lolCopper. So is being in and winning in Copper really any bragging rights. No one is going to run into the Silver bragging about going 16-0 and 4-0 in Copper when all they had was 4 human teams in Copper and 3 of them was in the other Conference. I mean really, I used Copper to work on the A.I. and not using Copper in wining Gold. Which I think that a lot of Copper owners try that. Than when they move to Silver that is where the fun begins and if they make it to Gold, that is where the head aches begin.
What I am getting at is that it waters down silver to have cpu teams in it, but have active game planning owners in copper. Few silver leagues are so stacked that a new owner cannot compete if they are there from day 1. I am in a silver league right now that has 4 cpu owned teams, a few human owned teams with all/mostly cpu players and even an Iron Man team that probably wont compete well against non Iron teams. Any new owner who is truly interested in learning the AI can still compete in my league, I can promise you that. They might even make the play-offs if they are smart enough to figure out the AI before mid-season.
What do you really learn playing against 25 cpu teams and a couple others that usually have 1 star offensive player that someone is trying to earn an MVP trophy for? You could probably use cpu players with basic tactics and make a conference title game in copper. You cannot learn what works against real competition unless you play that real competition.
And to repeat my point, in the format I suggested you would have been able to buy a copper team in week 5. The difference would have been that all the silver league would have been filled by humans. I see that you've been around for over two years, but why do you expect to be able to compete with out-leveled dots 9 games behind everyone else and with no OAI experience? To me that makes as much sense as giving all the kids a trophy at the end of the season even if their team was terrible, or making sure all the games end in a tie so no ones feelings are hurt.
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Dharma Initiatives win the Copper League Travelling Trophy vs. We Bring You Love. Any other Copper Challengers?
Originally posted by Time Trial
Dharma Initiatives win the Copper League Travelling Trophy vs. We Bring You Love. Any other Copper Challengers?
repeat some time later! and we will see!
Dharma Initiatives win the Copper League Travelling Trophy vs. We Bring You Love. Any other Copper Challengers?
repeat some time later! and we will see!
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Originally posted by dude34
repeat some time later! and we will see!
Will do. For now I claim the Copper trophy. Anyone who wants a crack at it can send the scrim.
repeat some time later! and we will see!
Will do. For now I claim the Copper trophy. Anyone who wants a crack at it can send the scrim.
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