Warrior General Games

Originally posted by idm03
For EQ I'd try to go with:

Make Tackle %
Avoid Fake %
Pass Deflect %
Superior Vision

All speed attached.

Agility and vision (to a lesser degree) reach a level of diminishing returns, especially for DBs. Both are 83 on my FS without VAs.

I'm surprised your FS isn't in the WL yet.

Originally posted by idm03

Agility and vision (to a lesser degree) reach a level of diminishing returns, especially for DBs. Both are 83 on my FS without VAs.

Pretty much the same for my FS, I think 83 is a good spot for Agility, though IMO you can never have enough vision. Mine is well over 90 after FG and it shows in his play.

Originally posted by direfire
I'm surprised your FS isn't in the WL yet.

He missed the boost to lvl 72 option by about 200 XP. Even with the extended plateau keeping teams together, he could have looked pretty good with lvl 72 gear. I deserved it - I skimped on boosts early because I thought I could get away with it by training. It turns out I did, which is why I'm glad that the recent changes were made even though it diminishes my high level guys.

Good luck with Hobart, they look good now that the builds are rounding out.


Originally posted by skeels
Pretty much the same for my FS, I think 83 is a good spot for Agility, though IMO you can never have enough vision. Mine is well over 90 after FG and it shows in his play.


I see safeties with close to 100 effective vision get pumped faked - I think there is some "random standard" for fakes that high vision cannot overcome. I really haven't seen much improvement from the low 80s to the high 80s although many changes were made during that time span. However, recent changes have made it clear that heavy investment to stamina is required to ensure back-end results.

Good luck with Somalia, good to see that they made it back to APL.

Originally posted by idm03
I see safeties with close to 100 effective vision get pumped faked - I think there is some "random standard" for fakes that high vision cannot overcome. I really haven't seen much improvement from the low 80s to the high 80s although many changes were made during that time span. However, recent changes have made it clear that heavy investment to stamina is required to ensure back-end results.

Good luck with Somalia, good to see that they made it back to APL.

I think it's o.k. that the pump fake works from time to time no matter who is trying to defend against it. Even 95+ (and as you said close to 100) vision will get pump faked sometimes...but hopefully not too hard. I feel like anyone with over 90 vision will recover quickly enough from a pump fake (within 1-2 ticks) that they should be ok. You can't stop everything all the time, but at least you can make the immediate tackle when you do get beat. In fact I've seen plays where pump fakes have led to picks or PD's because the QB threw the ball and the FS recovered quickly enough to make a play anyway.

As for the low 80's vs high 80's, most of the difference I've seen has come in run support. My FS is much quicker to break off his zone and attack the RB than he was when his vision was in the low 80's. I think pumping vision is good until it's effectively in the 90-95 range.

Thanks for the well-wishes on my pro team... unfortunately we're pretty young for the Pro's this season, S19 is when we'll actually be competitive.