Warrior General Games

First here is the build
#21 "Prime Time" (Lv. 38 FS)
Ht/Wt: 6'3", 186lbs
Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 19.3
Speed: 108 (+27)
Agility: 70.2
Jumping: 41.75
Stamina: 33.55
Vision: 73
Confidence: 15.75

Football Skills
Blocking: 14.3
Catching: 27.55
Tackling: 41
Throwing: 8
Carrying: 14.3
Kicking: 8
Punting: 8

Special Abilities
Coverage Abilities
First Step: 1
Change Direction: 1
Swat Ball: 1
Superior Vision: 1
Shutdown Coverage: 1
Hard Hitter Abilities
Wrap Up Tackle: 0
Diving Tackle: 0
Growl: 0
Big Hit: 0
Closing Speed: 0
Additional Abilities
Zone Focus: 5
Veteran Abilities
Ball Hawk: 10
Football Genius: 4

I have gotten speed(81)/agility(70)/vision(73) where i think i want them for their naturals at this point and will just stick with the auto level gains the rest of the way. I am wondering what i will get more benefit out off next. I was thinking of taking tackling to the 48 cap then switching to jumping to take to the 60 cap. I'm not sure how much strength i need though, is that something i should look into bringing up next? also not sure how high i need to take catching and when?

Also I currently have a maxed +zone focus SA equipment piece and close to purchasing my +SV equipment next. What should i go with for my last two pieces of equipment? I was thinking +5%int chance but i'm not sure about that?

Originally posted by bigben71784
Also I currently have a maxed +zone focus SA equipment piece and close to purchasing my +SV equipment next. What should i go with for my last two pieces of equipment? I was thinking +5%int chance but i'm not sure about that?

With only 1 INT in his career, I wouldn't worry about that as much. 5% Pass Declect or 5% Make Tackle would be better IMO.

I'd just train up strength for a while and focus on jumping and tackling like you were saying. 60 tackling will let you get DavidvGoliath. Kind of depends on your competition on which you'd want next. Passing teams, go jumping. Running teams, tackling.

Originally posted by raiderdav
With only 1 INT in his career, I wouldn't worry about that as much. 5% Pass Declect or 5% Make Tackle would be better IMO.


Well until this season i have been pretty out leveled in every league i've played in. Also, since i have been slow building i am just this season starting to round out the build a little.

So which do you think i should work on first, jumping or tackling? Should i focus on one and take it to 60 or split my sp's between the two as i level?

No fun in getting ran over or outplayed is it? Get in a "league of your own". See what he can do, and what you need to get him.

I have a lvl 37 FS who is similar to your build, my speed is a little higher, but agility and tackling are a little lower. It is my first FS, but I think he is decent. I would actually suggest getting stamina up first, and also start adding some SAs.

You will see the difference Superior Vision makes once you get your EQ. I would also put a couple of points into First Step and Change Direction. It won't cost you much to get those up to 3, but you will see results.

Then, like you said, continue building jumping and tackling.

If you do then you will ruin the build. NEVER give in to SA until your primary and secondary attribute are where they should be. Just saying, you can do what u want

I pretty much agree w/both raiderday & Packers27...hold off on SAs until you've finished or nearly finished your primary/secondary Atts. You've been patiently SBing and have a good build going for you. Be patient for a little while longer and you won't regret it later on (don't blow it now)!

SPs FOCUS:
(imo I would Circle Cap in the following order)
1) 1st Cap Tackling
2) 1st Cap Jumping (since it is so close I'd do this b4 2nd cap Tackling)
3) 2nd Cap Tackling (minimum)
4) )1st Cap Strength
5) 2nd Cap Strength (minimum)
6) 2nd Cap Jumping

TRAINING FOCUS:
1) Strength
2) Confidence
3) Stamina
4) Catching (40-50 plenty on end-build...Vis/Agi/Jmp/Spd/Tactics much more important where INTs concerned)

VA FOCUS:
1) Max 15 BH
2) Max 15 FG
3) start adding DvG when you get Tackling to 60
4) 3rdDS or possibly Sure Tackler

AEQ:
for your last 2 pcs...I'd definitely go with Closing Speed for both (maxed to 10)

SAs:
Main concentration on SV, CD, FS, ZF (w/CS all on AEQ)


REASONS FOR THE ABOVE SUGGESTIONS:
1) Regardless of his Archetype and the defensive scheme that is implemented...he will need the higher Strength & Tackling to combat the uber Power Backs he will face in the higher leagues. DvG will also go a long way in helping w/this. As a safety, he can't afford to miss those important tackles or end up pancaked on the turf. More times than not, he is the last defender between the ball carrier and a TD.

2) I consider Closing Speed (in tandem w/ Superior Vision) to be the most effective & powerful SA for both FS & SS...and regard it as somewhat of a "secret weapon" and "safety insurance" of sorts. Because Safeties have so much more ground to cover than most other defensive positions (in all directions), it is an indispensable asset to have. Can't tell you how many times I've seen it fire/help get my Lvl 67 FS from one side of the field to the other, in order to make a tackle on a HB or WR (after catch)...or chase down a break-away runner for a TD save. Those are things that don't really show up on stats but can have a huge impact on the outcomes of games. It also helps make up for lost ground if he happens to fail a Vision check for any reason as well (and also works on STs). CD is just a tad behind CS & SV imo...but since both that and FS are so early on the Coverage Tree you can bump those w/just SPs alone.

YOUR SAs/VAs/AEQ WORKING IN TANDEM:
Superior Vision, Football Genius & Zone Focus greatly enhances your FS Vision/in recognizing the pass...Ball Hawk gives him a huge, huge boost in Spd/Agi/Vis after that and w/First Step, gives him a major jump on it...If catch is made, Closing Speed & Change Direction picks up from there and gets him to the ball carrier in the quickest, shortest, best route possible. That's a pretty deadly combo of Speed/Agility/Vision enhancements to have as a setup. Even without the Zone Focus & Ball Hawk enhancements, the combination of the others alone, will be more than sufficient for giving him an advantage on pure running plays.

EDIT: Capping order...moved Strength down as you will need more time to train it up. Catching note added to training.

really?...really?!

Y'all think spending a total of 4 SPs on SAs as I suggested would ruin his build? I stand by my opinion that having 3 in those SAs will give you way more bang for your buck than anything else you could do at this point.

The auto level gains are minimal on secondary skills by level 38, and I didn't say to not add to those skills, I would just go ahead and get some better production for minimal cost, now.

Do it then

Originally posted by CTEC04
really?...really?!

Y'all think spending a total of 4 SPs on SAs as I suggested would ruin his build? I stand by my opinion that having 3 in those SAs will give you way more bang for your buck than anything else you could do at this point.

The auto level gains are minimal on secondary skills by level 38, and I didn't say to not add to those skills, I would just go ahead and get some better production for minimal cost, now.

Yup, I would personally hold off on SAs until much later tbh. Although the ALGs are at their plateau, I feel that both FSs & SSs in particular (LBs & WRs too), have so many Atts they need to worry about for their end-builds, that every SP counts at these mid-levels. Pretty much though, it comes down to...do you want a better build for NOW...or for the END-BUILD.

The few SPs spent on SAs at this point really does not make that much of performance difference either, imo. FS & CD are great SAs to have, no doubt about it...I love Safety SAs! But you really won't see a MAJOR difference until you can get them to around the +5 to +7 range anyway. In the interim, a well thought-out combination of AEQ & VAs can compensate for the lack of SAs plenty.

bigben71784 has a good start on both of those already...he just needs to get Str/Tak up asap. The faster he can do that, the faster he'll be able to pour everything into SAs later on...the value of which, will be the same at the higher levels, as it is now. The trick when Cap Building, is to not be lured by the easy SA fix...and keep on track for the End-Build. But honestly, I know that not everyone feels this way or has the same priorities. After all is said & done, we can build our players any damn way we choose...that's the beauty of it!

Why do people think 70 agi is good enough to play in coverage with?

I don't, but I think 80 is good enough

Originally posted by regoob2
Why do people think 70 agi is good enough to play in coverage with?

It is on the bottom end if you have enough in CD (8+). 75 is definitely better though. I prefer the 130/80/80 spd/agi/vis myself. I'd strongly consider taking vision to the 78 cap once you get jump/tack to 48 personally . . .

Originally posted by skeels
Originally posted by regoob2

Why do people think 70 agi is good enough to play in coverage with?

It is on the bottom end if you have enough in CD (8+). 75 is definitely better though. I prefer the 130/80/80 spd/agi/vis myself. I'd strongly consider taking vision to the 78 cap once you get jump/tack to 48 personally . . .

agreed