I've heard it's totally overrated. Has anyone tried capping confidence second?
Murkine
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Originally posted by jxwhee
I've heard it's totally overrated. Has anyone tried capping confidence second?
Do not cap CON before you cap VIS......
Some argue that you can cap STR before VIS. I have seen good results from that.
I've heard it's totally overrated. Has anyone tried capping confidence second?
Do not cap CON before you cap VIS......

Some argue that you can cap STR before VIS. I have seen good results from that.
jxwhee
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What about for a pocket passer? Is vision the only 2nd cap option? If so then shouldn't throwing be taken to a crazy high cap.
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Throwing first is a no-brainer, and it should generally be taken to at least 77 if not more (absolutely no less than 73). Then Vision is generally the 2nd attribute to cap for a Pocket Passer. There is debate about whether Strength should come 3rd before Confidence, or even 2nd before Vision, but since Strength is not a primary there's no clear answer there. It has alot to do with what kind of team you're on, how good protection is, how good receivers are, etc.
Strength is also kind of an oddball because there's no real decent intense training pair with it other than throwing. So you're either training Throwing & Strength right off the bat & then relying on SP's later to get it capped, or you're just going to get a late start on it & have to be a bit more creative in leveling & capping it.
In general, it's never a bad idea to cap your primary attributes first. So in most cases for a pocket passer, the capping order will be:
- Throwing
- Vision
- Confidence
- Strength
In the long run it's really up to you & what you want your QB to be.
Strength is also kind of an oddball because there's no real decent intense training pair with it other than throwing. So you're either training Throwing & Strength right off the bat & then relying on SP's later to get it capped, or you're just going to get a late start on it & have to be a bit more creative in leveling & capping it.
In general, it's never a bad idea to cap your primary attributes first. So in most cases for a pocket passer, the capping order will be:
- Throwing
- Vision
- Confidence
- Strength
In the long run it's really up to you & what you want your QB to be.
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Training STR used to be the no brainer way to go, just becuase there was literally jack shit you could train it with, other than throwing. With the new training system, you can chose either STR or VIS, i'd lean towards vision.
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I actually did Throwing & Strength as my main attributes. Worked fine for me, hardly get INT's. Average 5 INT's per season.
I am done on strength for my QB's career and am just focusing on Vision & Confidence.
I am done on strength for my QB's career and am just focusing on Vision & Confidence.
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If you plan on throwing deep much then you really need strength to be pretty high to help the pass quality. If you plan on running a West Coast type offense then strength would be less important. Of course vision and throwing are needed either way.
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Originally posted by crawlins
If you plan on throwing deep much then you really need strength to be pretty high to help the pass quality. If you plan on running a West Coast type offense then strength would be less important. Of course vision and throwing are needed either way.
Interestingly enough my QB is just as proficient at Westcoast Offense as the standard offense. I think though it is because we literally get him to sling the ball out as fast as possible to the receiver (Strength increases ball velocity) with quick reads. Albeit not playing to his builds strengths in a traditional sense, but it does work.
If you plan on throwing deep much then you really need strength to be pretty high to help the pass quality. If you plan on running a West Coast type offense then strength would be less important. Of course vision and throwing are needed either way.
Interestingly enough my QB is just as proficient at Westcoast Offense as the standard offense. I think though it is because we literally get him to sling the ball out as fast as possible to the receiver (Strength increases ball velocity) with quick reads. Albeit not playing to his builds strengths in a traditional sense, but it does work.
Edited by James Brawn on May 25, 2010 17:30:24
crawlins
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Originally posted by James Brawn
Interestingly enough my QB is just as proficient at Westcoast Offense as the standard offense. I think though it is because we literally get him to sling the ball out as fast as possible to the receiver (Strength increases ball velocity) with quick reads. Albeit not playing to his builds strengths in a traditional sense, but it does work.
True...but like I said...strength is LESS important in shorter passes...but it is still important. You need the Holy Trinity in any QB (that is not a rushing QB anyway). The amount in each of the three depends on how you want to use them. Sure any combo will work great, but to optimize you would want to focus more on vision for shorter passes (to help to decide fast who is best open), and strength for longer passes (it helps your pass quality on longer passes).
I had a QB with much more vision than strength and he still did great in longer passes, I'm just talking optimal building. To be honest, it is hard to build a bad QB...it is usually the OC, WRs, OL, TE that help make a QB great.
Interestingly enough my QB is just as proficient at Westcoast Offense as the standard offense. I think though it is because we literally get him to sling the ball out as fast as possible to the receiver (Strength increases ball velocity) with quick reads. Albeit not playing to his builds strengths in a traditional sense, but it does work.
True...but like I said...strength is LESS important in shorter passes...but it is still important. You need the Holy Trinity in any QB (that is not a rushing QB anyway). The amount in each of the three depends on how you want to use them. Sure any combo will work great, but to optimize you would want to focus more on vision for shorter passes (to help to decide fast who is best open), and strength for longer passes (it helps your pass quality on longer passes).
I had a QB with much more vision than strength and he still did great in longer passes, I'm just talking optimal building. To be honest, it is hard to build a bad QB...it is usually the OC, WRs, OL, TE that help make a QB great.
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Originally posted by crawlins
To be honest, it is hard to build a bad QB...it is usually the OC, WRs, OL, TE that help make a QB great.
To be honest, it is hard to build a bad QB...it is usually the OC, WRs, OL, TE that help make a QB great.
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Originally posted by zamtik
Originally posted by crawlins
To be honest, it is hard to build a bad QB...it is usually the OC, WRs, OL, TE that help make a QB great.
QFT.
Originally posted by crawlins
To be honest, it is hard to build a bad QB...it is usually the OC, WRs, OL, TE that help make a QB great.
QFT.
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