AAA has been crap for like 8seasons now and being successful in A, AA, AAA didn't mean anything unless you were in like season 1-7. Unless you had really great dots right away networking has always been important though much more so from season 10 on because of slowbuilds, decline, the increase in difficulty of gameplanning, tagging, AI, DPC, etc... and also recruiting becoming scarce. It was easy to have a decent level of success in leagues lower than pro (hell, even being a 6-8 playoff team in pro) but the trick is not to just be "decent but great and that is the real test and still very difficult to do
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Originally posted by chronoaug
AAA has been crap for like 8seasons now and being successful in A, AA, AAA didn't mean anything unless you were in like season 1-7. Unless you had really great dots right away networking has always been important though much more so from season 10 on because of slowbuilds, decline, the increase in difficulty of gameplanning, tagging, AI, DPC, etc... and also recruiting becoming scarce. It was easy to have a decent level of success in leagues lower than pro (hell, even being a 6-8 playoff team in pro) but the trick is not to just be "decent but great and that is the real test and still very difficult to do
Seasons 1-7 didn't mean anything IMO. It was all pretty much casual tactics at that point. Somewhere after those seasons are when this game actually started to get some real strategy.
I have to disagree with this statement, although I do see where you are trying to come from.
As far as networking......maybe, maybe not, but I am still a believer that it's only been needed the past 3 seasons tops. Mainly recruiters and scouters more than anything. If your D and O AI are set up properly......it doesn't take much to handle that. The rest of the stuff takes no time at all and only needs to be touched a minimal amount of times.
In all honesty, I think the real downfall is when you have your own players on your own team and nowhere else. Granted we may not have got 2 titles doing it another way, but we would at least of had a network set and probably be where we are now.....just in better shape.
Lessons learned really.
AAA has been crap for like 8seasons now and being successful in A, AA, AAA didn't mean anything unless you were in like season 1-7. Unless you had really great dots right away networking has always been important though much more so from season 10 on because of slowbuilds, decline, the increase in difficulty of gameplanning, tagging, AI, DPC, etc... and also recruiting becoming scarce. It was easy to have a decent level of success in leagues lower than pro (hell, even being a 6-8 playoff team in pro) but the trick is not to just be "decent but great and that is the real test and still very difficult to do
Seasons 1-7 didn't mean anything IMO. It was all pretty much casual tactics at that point. Somewhere after those seasons are when this game actually started to get some real strategy.
I have to disagree with this statement, although I do see where you are trying to come from.
As far as networking......maybe, maybe not, but I am still a believer that it's only been needed the past 3 seasons tops. Mainly recruiters and scouters more than anything. If your D and O AI are set up properly......it doesn't take much to handle that. The rest of the stuff takes no time at all and only needs to be touched a minimal amount of times.
In all honesty, I think the real downfall is when you have your own players on your own team and nowhere else. Granted we may not have got 2 titles doing it another way, but we would at least of had a network set and probably be where we are now.....just in better shape.
Lessons learned really.
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season 1-7 USA AAA leagues were nearly on par with USAPL teams. Probably above avg of most other pro leagues. So if you say s1-7 didnt mean any thing then you are sadly mistaken. The past few seasons on AAA ball have steadily gone downhill and let crap teams like Czech into USAPL.
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Originally posted by Veg
season 1-7 USA AAA leagues were nearly on par with USAPL teams. Probably above avg of most other pro leagues. So if you say s1-7 didnt mean any thing then you are sadly mistaken. The past few seasons on AAA ball have steadily gone downhill and let crap teams like Czech into USAPL.
Not league wise, tactic wise.
season 1-7 USA AAA leagues were nearly on par with USAPL teams. Probably above avg of most other pro leagues. So if you say s1-7 didnt mean any thing then you are sadly mistaken. The past few seasons on AAA ball have steadily gone downhill and let crap teams like Czech into USAPL.
Not league wise, tactic wise.
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Originally posted by smittdog101
Originally posted by chronoaug
AAA has been crap for like 8seasons now and being successful in A, AA, AAA didn't mean anything unless you were in like season 1-7. Unless you had really great dots right away networking has always been important though much more so from season 10 on because of slowbuilds, decline, the increase in difficulty of gameplanning, tagging, AI, DPC, etc... and also recruiting becoming scarce. It was easy to have a decent level of success in leagues lower than pro (hell, even being a 6-8 playoff team in pro) but the trick is not to just be "decent but great and that is the real test and still very difficult to do
Seasons 1-7 didn't mean anything IMO. It was all pretty much casual tactics at that point. Somewhere after those seasons are when this game actually started to get some real strategy.
I have to disagree with this statement, although I do see where you are trying to come from.
As far as networking......maybe, maybe not, but I am still a believer that it's only been needed the past 3 seasons tops. Mainly recruiters and scouters more than anything. If your D and O AI are set up properly......it doesn't take much to handle that. The rest of the stuff takes no time at all and only needs to be touched a minimal amount of times.
In all honesty, I think the real downfall is when you have your own players on your own team and nowhere else. Granted we may not have got 2 titles doing it another way, but we would at least of had a network set and probably be where we are now.....just in better shape.
Lessons learned really.
To be fair, if you guys were in USAPL seasons 9-14 it would've been a different story as i know you're confident in your abilities but your team wouldn't have made the playoffs and probably would fall in the 8-13 range. There were some really good teams back then that didn't make the playoffs (bullets didn't make playoffs in east but made it to the final 4 in the hazy tourney that season for example i think season11)
The level of scouting, changing the AI, staying up to date and very current with build trends, VA/aeq/SA coordination, money plays, plays to avoid, successful DPC plays and alignment, how to counter popular tactics/builds, and just individual team scouting generally does require more than 1 person or at least it helps a ton.
Not to mention that unless you're blessed with amazing builds you always need to be recruiting, networking for dots and other stuff to keep upgrading positions and replacing guys whose builds became irrelevant or who left the team or went inactive. Even before decline this was important for success in USAPL.
Obviously it's different now and making the playoffs in pro is hardly an achievement. The equivalent of making the playoffs back then is probably like getting top4 nowadays.
Originally posted by chronoaug
AAA has been crap for like 8seasons now and being successful in A, AA, AAA didn't mean anything unless you were in like season 1-7. Unless you had really great dots right away networking has always been important though much more so from season 10 on because of slowbuilds, decline, the increase in difficulty of gameplanning, tagging, AI, DPC, etc... and also recruiting becoming scarce. It was easy to have a decent level of success in leagues lower than pro (hell, even being a 6-8 playoff team in pro) but the trick is not to just be "decent but great and that is the real test and still very difficult to do
Seasons 1-7 didn't mean anything IMO. It was all pretty much casual tactics at that point. Somewhere after those seasons are when this game actually started to get some real strategy.
I have to disagree with this statement, although I do see where you are trying to come from.
As far as networking......maybe, maybe not, but I am still a believer that it's only been needed the past 3 seasons tops. Mainly recruiters and scouters more than anything. If your D and O AI are set up properly......it doesn't take much to handle that. The rest of the stuff takes no time at all and only needs to be touched a minimal amount of times.
In all honesty, I think the real downfall is when you have your own players on your own team and nowhere else. Granted we may not have got 2 titles doing it another way, but we would at least of had a network set and probably be where we are now.....just in better shape.
Lessons learned really.
To be fair, if you guys were in USAPL seasons 9-14 it would've been a different story as i know you're confident in your abilities but your team wouldn't have made the playoffs and probably would fall in the 8-13 range. There were some really good teams back then that didn't make the playoffs (bullets didn't make playoffs in east but made it to the final 4 in the hazy tourney that season for example i think season11)
The level of scouting, changing the AI, staying up to date and very current with build trends, VA/aeq/SA coordination, money plays, plays to avoid, successful DPC plays and alignment, how to counter popular tactics/builds, and just individual team scouting generally does require more than 1 person or at least it helps a ton.
Not to mention that unless you're blessed with amazing builds you always need to be recruiting, networking for dots and other stuff to keep upgrading positions and replacing guys whose builds became irrelevant or who left the team or went inactive. Even before decline this was important for success in USAPL.
Obviously it's different now and making the playoffs in pro is hardly an achievement. The equivalent of making the playoffs back then is probably like getting top4 nowadays.
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S6-7 in AAA was by no means casual tactics. If anything there was more scouting and adjusting going on in USA AAA then compared to USAPro now. The game was a lot newer, and you had a lot more co-ordinators still in love with the game back then tbh. I'd take a stud old school OC like rj over any but a handful of OCs in USAPro today (no offense meant).
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Oh and btw, huge lols at jfbruno calling the Hedgehogs "average"....
Its a shame we play so late in the season tbh.
Its a shame we play so late in the season tbh.
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Originally posted by smittdog101
Originally posted by coachviking
1. How can you complain...You didn't recruit well enough....End all chances of complaints
2. Or a legit O or a Legit D
I know this. This is something I am starting to work on early this season. Networking was really never needed until this season, or maybe last. The truth is......you can be one hell of a recruiter, but with no network, you will struggle mightily to field a AAA+ team in these days of GLB (WL excluded....sells itself).
I always relied on getting to USA Pro and the recruiting would sell itself. That used to be the case, but when the WL came around and retirement came around.......well.
No.....not excuses......just the truth.
Coachviking was a great recruiter long before he was networking...then again, it took him a long time to be good enough to recruit me.
Originally posted by coachviking
1. How can you complain...You didn't recruit well enough....End all chances of complaints
2. Or a legit O or a Legit D
I know this. This is something I am starting to work on early this season. Networking was really never needed until this season, or maybe last. The truth is......you can be one hell of a recruiter, but with no network, you will struggle mightily to field a AAA+ team in these days of GLB (WL excluded....sells itself).
I always relied on getting to USA Pro and the recruiting would sell itself. That used to be the case, but when the WL came around and retirement came around.......well.
No.....not excuses......just the truth.
Coachviking was a great recruiter long before he was networking...then again, it took him a long time to be good enough to recruit me.
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Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
Oh and btw, huge lols at jfbruno calling the Hedgehogs "average"....
Its a shame we play so late in the season tbh.
It's Bueno, you silly Bears fan. He's a Mexican, not an Eastern European.
Oh and btw, huge lols at jfbruno calling the Hedgehogs "average"....
Its a shame we play so late in the season tbh.
It's Bueno, you silly Bears fan. He's a Mexican, not an Eastern European.
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S1-7 of GLB were the golden years of GLB! The best of the best were there making the game into what it is now. It was a different scene for agents back then and gutting... I dont think it really had a meaning. You really had to be amongst it all to truelly understand the GLB History of some of the greats.
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Originally posted by jrry32
Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
Oh and btw, huge lols at jfbruno calling the Hedgehogs "average"....
Its a shame we play so late in the season tbh.
It's Bueno, you silly Bears fan. He's a Mexican, not an Eastern European.
lol
Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
Oh and btw, huge lols at jfbruno calling the Hedgehogs "average"....
Its a shame we play so late in the season tbh.
It's Bueno, you silly Bears fan. He's a Mexican, not an Eastern European.
lol
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being good at glb is literally either a full-time job or you have to be part of some big gay jackoff orgy like MEM and KKAR. either way ur basically just playin with yourself all day.
go outside, nerds.
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Originally posted by smittdog101
That is more than huge, but you didn't hear me complain.
This right here is only true b/c I don't use text-to-voice to browse the forums.
go outside, nerds.
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Originally posted by smittdog101
That is more than huge, but you didn't hear me complain.
This right here is only true b/c I don't use text-to-voice to browse the forums.
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