Warrior General Games

Originally posted by kcdizz
i just tried to match up his attributes plus anything else i could increase with slow building. He obviously didnt reach certain caps early in his build. I was able to get 15 more speed, 9 more agility, 5 more catching. If he was to get his attributes to the guy i simulated hed need an extra 190 SPs (i think my math is right). now id agree i might slack in a few attributes to get some SAs, I did that to show i can still get up the attributes he wanted up and still have much higher main attributes. but id like to see someone show me a better build. hes not ment to have higher strength hes not a possession build.

fwiw I think your build would be excellent in the current sim.

I think what we see with these archetypes and what Bort has been saying is that specialized players are going to take a hit in the future because for a long time they've been too specialized. He's putting more emphasis on the secondary atts. So you're going to need high vision/strength/carrying because he's forcing players away from building speed guys. Of course, the best way he could do this is to balance the stats. When you take a look around, the CB/WR stats are LOL. WRs with 8 strength and 8 blocking. Entire teams of CBs and not one of them with soft capped strength. Tackling down in the 30s. However, you don't see those guys missing a ton of tackles. That tells you right there that tackling and strength are way overpowered on CBs. Most of the WRs I've seen have strength in the 35-48 range. Yet you don't see them breaking the tackles of those CBs. It's really pretty laughable.

Which is why I've opted out of building WRs. Too much flex for a screwed up interaction. CBs that can be 20-30 pts below a WR in speed yet stay with them step for step. CBs that lack almost any strength and very little tackling rarely missing a tackle. I kind of have the itch to build a Power WR, but I know the outcomes. Won't be targeted early in his career due to low speed/agility. And later in his career, there may be few takers because OCs just don't know how to use them.

Originally posted by Kramer
I think what we see with these archetypes and what Bort has been saying is that specialized players are going to take a hit in the future because for a long time they've been too specialized. He's putting more emphasis on the secondary atts. So you're going to need high vision/strength/carrying because he's forcing players away from building speed guys. Of course, the best way he could do this is to balance the stats. When you take a look around, the CB/WR stats are LOL. WRs with 8 strength and 8 blocking. Entire teams of CBs and not one of them with soft capped strength. Tackling down in the 30s. However, you don't see those guys missing a ton of tackles. That tells you right there that tackling and strength are way overpowered on CBs. Most of the WRs I've seen have strength in the 35-48 range. Yet you don't see them breaking the tackles of those CBs. It's really pretty laughable.

Which is why I've opted out of building WRs. Too much flex for a screwed up interaction. CBs that can be 20-30 pts below a WR in speed yet stay with them step for step. CBs that lack almost any strength and very little tackling rarely missing a tackle. I kind of have the itch to build a Power WR, but I know the outcomes. Won't be targeted early in his career due to low speed/agility. And later in his career, there may be few takers because OCs just don't know how to use them.

youve obviously never had a CB in pro or higher. almost all CBs will have soft capped strength and tackle at that point (or close to it), and while they may not miss many tackles on WRs (because they usually dont have very high strength themselves), they do miss tackles on HBs... quite often. 2 seasons ago, my lvl 63 missed 16 tackles with 55/50 strength/tackle.

and the reason CBs can keep up with WRs with 30 points more speed is because of SDC and the initial cushion CBs have. without the cushion, you would see a lot more WRs break away, and if SDC werent the behemoth SA that it is, you would definitely see more speed WRs getting separation (yes, i am saying that SDC is over powered... but since im a CB builder for the most part, i dont mid )

Originally posted by JStewart09


Stats are great to go by, but stats can lie.




I disagree with this. Stats are everything in determining a great build. What good is a supposed great build (opinion) if that great build produces nothing for you.

Consider another player that may go against the consensus in his build but puts up great numbers. many would look at the build and say what a crappy build. But If you compare his stats well and he produces well then he has a great build no matter what people are considering great at that moment in time.

Originally posted by sjkiller81
I disagree with this. Stats are everything in determining a great build. What good is a supposed great build (opinion) if that great build produces nothing for you.

Consider another player that may go against the consensus in his build but puts up great numbers. many would look at the build and say what a crappy build. But If you compare his stats well and he produces well then he has a great build no matter what people are considering great at that moment in time.

I can put my WR on a team of nothing but CPU players in a CPU AA league and get 10,000 yards and a couple hundred TD's in one season.

Stats are not EVERYTHING. You better take into account how they were obtained.

Originally posted by sjkiller81
I disagree with this. Stats are everything in determining a great build. What good is a supposed great build (opinion) if that great build produces nothing for you.

Consider another player that may go against the consensus in his build but puts up great numbers. many would look at the build and say what a crappy build. But If you compare his stats well and he produces well then he has a great build no matter what people are considering great at that moment in time.

When you account for the lack of league parity, differing offensive systems, and differing supporting casts, stats are a poor barometer for judging a build at least until higher levels.