How important is vision to a DE? How much is enough vision for a DE?
merk
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pretty important...but not one of the top couple attributes. The answer for how much is enough depends on who you ask...the answers range from 50-70.
Ibucks
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My DE has 71 (including +2 AEQ) and he definately gets a better start off the snap than most DE's, though I also feel like it may be a bit excessive.
Originally posted by Deezy Frost
I had a pro who was very effective. He had 61, and I was happy with that.
I feel like the 2nd cap is a good spot for vision.
Originally posted by Deezy Frost
I had a pro who was very effective. He had 61, and I was happy with that.
I feel like the 2nd cap is a good spot for vision.
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Originally posted by Deezy Frost
I had a pro who was very effective. He had 61, and I was happy with that.
True that. Get it up to 60 (especially if you're in the pro level), but anything more than that is diminishing returns.
I had a pro who was very effective. He had 61, and I was happy with that.
True that. Get it up to 60 (especially if you're in the pro level), but anything more than that is diminishing returns.
tautology
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It depends on your build. It is more important for stopping the run than for pass rushing.
EagleOtto
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50 is fine, 60 is pretty good, i haven't felt the need to go over 60 though on any of my DEs
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Did Bort mess with vision checks at all the last two days? Out of the blue, my RDE (66 vis/10 JTS, no Streaky/Slow Starter) spent most of his last game coming off the snap on the 3rd tick, and usually slowly (100+ spd/agi, 16 First Step). Just a complete turn around from previous games, this season or last.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=922401&pbp_id=4441043 -- An average snap response from Game 1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=922322&pbp_id=5456288 -- Average for Game 2
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=922296&pbp_id=6444583 -- Average for Game 3 (11 PM EST 12/16)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=922296&pbp_id=6444906 -- Same
He went from passing the vision check on the first tick (Tick 2 on this snap awareness script) the overwhelming majority of the time to missing that tick consistently, with a large number of snaps where he missed the first two (Tick 2 and Tick 3) ticks. Just curious if this was something other people have found.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=922401&pbp_id=4441043 -- An average snap response from Game 1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=922322&pbp_id=5456288 -- Average for Game 2
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=922296&pbp_id=6444583 -- Average for Game 3 (11 PM EST 12/16)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=922296&pbp_id=6444906 -- Same
He went from passing the vision check on the first tick (Tick 2 on this snap awareness script) the overwhelming majority of the time to missing that tick consistently, with a large number of snaps where he missed the first two (Tick 2 and Tick 3) ticks. Just curious if this was something other people have found.
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