GLB has bastardized the meaning of possession receiver.
It's NOT somebody who JUST catches the ball. That's called a shitty tight end.
It's NOT somebody who JUST catches the ball. That's called a shitty tight end.
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possession WR: http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=531373
Catches 80% or so of her targets, money on 3rd and 5.
Speed=63
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Originally posted by Zurai
Which whole "diminishing returns" part? The one you didn't mention at all in your post? How can I be cherry picking around a detractor when the detractor isn't even mentioned? I even double-checked Wise and Mob's posts, and THEY didn't mention diminishing returns, either.
Your question is silly. You're asking "once a character is perfect, what's the point in vision?". My response: "Once your character is perfect, you can ask that question. Until then, it's a silly question."
To break that down into even simpler terms, you're saying that vision is pointless because your character is doing things "well enough". You're equating acceptable ("well enough") with perfect (cannot be improved).
Vision improves your player's ability to get thrown the ball, to catch the ball, and to run with the ball after it's caught. Until your WR catches every single pass for a touchdown, vision will help you to some degree. It may well be that other stats will be more efficient at achieving the goal you've set, but vision still has a point.
I had this thread confused with a different one. My fault.
As for the bolded comment... if spending points elsewhere causes more improvement in the SAME AREAS (and it does) that does in fact make adding vision pretty pointless ultimately. I mean.. in the SMALL picture you're right. I"m more of a big picture guy though. .
Your point about the perfect WR is only valid if building a perfect WR was an attainable goal. It's not. You have to make choices and adding tons of vision is a bad one IMO.
Which whole "diminishing returns" part? The one you didn't mention at all in your post? How can I be cherry picking around a detractor when the detractor isn't even mentioned? I even double-checked Wise and Mob's posts, and THEY didn't mention diminishing returns, either.
Your question is silly. You're asking "once a character is perfect, what's the point in vision?". My response: "Once your character is perfect, you can ask that question. Until then, it's a silly question."
To break that down into even simpler terms, you're saying that vision is pointless because your character is doing things "well enough". You're equating acceptable ("well enough") with perfect (cannot be improved).
Vision improves your player's ability to get thrown the ball, to catch the ball, and to run with the ball after it's caught. Until your WR catches every single pass for a touchdown, vision will help you to some degree. It may well be that other stats will be more efficient at achieving the goal you've set, but vision still has a point.
I had this thread confused with a different one. My fault.
As for the bolded comment... if spending points elsewhere causes more improvement in the SAME AREAS (and it does) that does in fact make adding vision pretty pointless ultimately. I mean.. in the SMALL picture you're right. I"m more of a big picture guy though. .
Your point about the perfect WR is only valid if building a perfect WR was an attainable goal. It's not. You have to make choices and adding tons of vision is a bad one IMO.
Edited by The_Jonas on Aug 14, 2009 18:16:50
Edited by The_Jonas on Aug 14, 2009 18:11:31
Edited by The_Jonas on Aug 14, 2009 18:10:39
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Originally posted by The_Jonas
if spending points elsewhere causes more improvement in the SAME AREAS (and it does) that does in fact make adding vision pretty pointless ultimately.
Fine, you play your WR with 10 vision then. No skin off my nose.
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Your point about the perfect WR is only valid if building a perfect WR was an attainable goal. It's not. You have to make choices and adding tons of vision is a bad one IMO.
Reading comprehension fail.
if spending points elsewhere causes more improvement in the SAME AREAS (and it does) that does in fact make adding vision pretty pointless ultimately.
Fine, you play your WR with 10 vision then. No skin off my nose.
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Your point about the perfect WR is only valid if building a perfect WR was an attainable goal. It's not. You have to make choices and adding tons of vision is a bad one IMO.
Reading comprehension fail.
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Originally posted by tautology
possession WR: http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=531373
Catches 80% or so of her targets, money on 3rd and 5.
Speed=63
and yet if you listen to those here, they'll tell you a 90-100 speed WR is "possession."
I wonder how much you invested in jumping. I' guessing less than people would think,
possession WR: http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=531373
Catches 80% or so of her targets, money on 3rd and 5.
Speed=63
and yet if you listen to those here, they'll tell you a 90-100 speed WR is "possession."
I wonder how much you invested in jumping. I' guessing less than people would think,
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Originally posted by RobertRJS
and yet if you listen to those here, they'll tell you a 90-100 speed WR is "possession."
I wonder how much you invested in jumping. I' guessing less than people would think,
Don't hate on my 90 speed possession receiver.
and yet if you listen to those here, they'll tell you a 90-100 speed WR is "possession."
I wonder how much you invested in jumping. I' guessing less than people would think,
Don't hate on my 90 speed possession receiver.
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Originally posted by Daddy Warbucks
Originally posted by RobertRJS
and yet if you listen to those here, they'll tell you a 90-100 speed WR is "possession."
I wonder how much you invested in jumping. I' guessing less than people would think,
Don't hate on my 90 speed possession receiver.
can't hate what doesn't exist.
now your balanced build is a different story...
Originally posted by RobertRJS
and yet if you listen to those here, they'll tell you a 90-100 speed WR is "possession."
I wonder how much you invested in jumping. I' guessing less than people would think,
Don't hate on my 90 speed possession receiver.
can't hate what doesn't exist.
now your balanced build is a different story...
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Originally posted by Zurai
Fine, you play your WR with 10 vision then. No skin off my nose.
No one is saying vision is worthless, I would highly recommend not playing with 10 vision. Vision will help your catching %s, but I think the diminishing returns you speak of really happen past 48. I'm not sure vision helps with YAC as much as carrying does. The low vision guys seem to recognize holes well, they just don't have the carrying to elude or break the diving tackles.
Vision- good for vertical speedsters
Carrying- good for guys who catch short passes and have to elude tacklers, they will want spin or other elusive Speedster SAs.
Fine, you play your WR with 10 vision then. No skin off my nose.
No one is saying vision is worthless, I would highly recommend not playing with 10 vision. Vision will help your catching %s, but I think the diminishing returns you speak of really happen past 48. I'm not sure vision helps with YAC as much as carrying does. The low vision guys seem to recognize holes well, they just don't have the carrying to elude or break the diving tackles.
Vision- good for vertical speedsters
Carrying- good for guys who catch short passes and have to elude tacklers, they will want spin or other elusive Speedster SAs.
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Originally posted by Mob-6
Originally posted by Zurai
Fine, you play your WR with 10 vision then. No skin off my nose.
No one is saying vision is worthless, I would highly recommend not playing with 10 vision. Vision will help your catching %s, but I think the diminishing returns you speak of really happen past 48. I'm not sure vision helps with YAC as much as carrying does. The low vision guys seem to recognize holes well, they just don't have the carrying to elude or break the diving tackles.
Vision- good for vertical speedsters
Carrying- good for guys who catch short passes and have to elude tacklers, they will want spin or other elusive Speedster SAs.
i'll say this. My juke and head fake SAs seem to be firing way more often all of a sudden and the only discernible reason i can figure out for it is increased vision past the 48 cap. Everything he does just seems to be crisper, too.
Originally posted by Zurai
Fine, you play your WR with 10 vision then. No skin off my nose.
No one is saying vision is worthless, I would highly recommend not playing with 10 vision. Vision will help your catching %s, but I think the diminishing returns you speak of really happen past 48. I'm not sure vision helps with YAC as much as carrying does. The low vision guys seem to recognize holes well, they just don't have the carrying to elude or break the diving tackles.
Vision- good for vertical speedsters
Carrying- good for guys who catch short passes and have to elude tacklers, they will want spin or other elusive Speedster SAs.
i'll say this. My juke and head fake SAs seem to be firing way more often all of a sudden and the only discernible reason i can figure out for it is increased vision past the 48 cap. Everything he does just seems to be crisper, too.
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If it was from last season to this, it would probably be the changes to the mechanic on HF and Juke cones.
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Originally posted by Mob-6
If it was from last season to this, it would probably be the changes to the mechanic on HF and Juke cones.
HF and Juke got nerfed, not buffed.
If it was from last season to this, it would probably be the changes to the mechanic on HF and Juke cones.
HF and Juke got nerfed, not buffed.
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Originally posted by Zurai
I read some things on forums but I don't read other things on forums, then when people make comments which concern both the things I read and the things I haven't read, I correct those people very matter-of-factly.
FYP.
I read some things on forums but I don't read other things on forums, then when people make comments which concern both the things I read and the things I haven't read, I correct those people very matter-of-factly.
FYP.
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So, for all you "Vision is useless for WRs!" crowd, do you re-think your position now that it's confirmed that vision raises the success rate of Head Fake and Juke? (see: vision tooltip on your level up page for a WR)
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Originally posted by Zurai
So, for all you "Vision is useless for WRs!" crowd, do you re-think your position now that it's confirmed that vision raises the success rate of Head Fake and Juke? (see: vision tooltip on your level up page for a WR)
Bort needs to bump up reading comprehension in this game. There isn't a "vision is useless" crowd, there is a "vision is useless for possession WRs" crowd. Possession WRs do not have HF or Juke in their trees, therefore a buff to activate a fake they don't have is worthless. Understand now?
BTW, keep checking for changes and maybe someday you'll be able to win your petulant little arguement.
So, for all you "Vision is useless for WRs!" crowd, do you re-think your position now that it's confirmed that vision raises the success rate of Head Fake and Juke? (see: vision tooltip on your level up page for a WR)
Bort needs to bump up reading comprehension in this game. There isn't a "vision is useless" crowd, there is a "vision is useless for possession WRs" crowd. Possession WRs do not have HF or Juke in their trees, therefore a buff to activate a fake they don't have is worthless. Understand now?
BTW, keep checking for changes and maybe someday you'll be able to win your petulant little arguement.
Edited by Mob-6 on Sep 6, 2009 07:58:14
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