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I was wondering if some first step might be useful for a powerback?

You know when he takes someone head on, and they get locked up for a click, forward momentum seemingly stops, the defender falls to the ground broken and ... BOOM, can first step kick in then to get the HB back up to full speed?

Originally posted by rlawrence
I was wondering if some first step might be useful for a powerback?

You know when he takes someone head on, and they get locked up for a click, forward momentum seemingly stops, the defender falls to the ground broken and ... BOOM, can first step kick in then to get the HB back up to full speed?



Sure, for a back that breaks tackles frequently. It seems receiving backs like getting to their spot faster also.

First step isn't that good for backs.

Originally posted by Daddy Warbucks
First step isn't that good for backs.

It depends. Everyone should be able to make their own decision on it once they learn that they are already moving at the snap and that it doesn't kick in unless a player is almost stopped. (Broken tackles, spin, etc)

Originally posted by PackAttack785
Originally posted by Daddy Warbucks

First step isn't that good for backs.

It depends. Everyone should be able to make their own decision on it once they learn that they are already moving at the snap and that it doesn't kick in unless a player is almost stopped. (Broken tackles, spin, etc)

If you say so. I'd rather just tell people it sucks and have them believe me. I think HBs in general will be better if they do.

First Step does NOT activate on rushes, as your speed is limited before the handoff. Unless you break a tackle and come to a near complete stop, it won't do almost anything for a power back running up the middle.

Originally posted by rmiller517
Originally posted by Bort

First step has only ever activated when starting from a near stop, so either when you're starting moving for the first time, or when you've gotten slowed down to the point where you're near stopped. (It can only activate when you've got < 1.5 acceleration "units" of velocity, no matter where you are on the field.)

It's always been far less useful for RB's than WR's for instance, because of that fact. The RB is usually up to speed when he hits the hole, so first step wouldn't even have a chance to do anything. Quick cut is more useful, I'd say, for moving quickly through the line.

It can help greatly if you have to make a big cut, I guess, because you have to slow down a lot.

Actually, now that I think about it, making them slow down might actually INCREASE the value of first step. If they have to slow way down to break through the line, they will be more likely to be in a position to use it after they do.


That post is up and down

So basically slower moving super elusives with high vision who can probably break tackles at a high frequency.
Quick cut also required for that type of build imo. Maybe even spin.

I would be very surprised ... but has anyone used Bort's supposition and built a Back with high First Step and low Quick Cut and seen them dance through the line using bursts of First Step? If not ... then +1 Daddy Warbucks ... First Step sucks for backs.

Originally posted by Paul W Davey
I would be very surprised ... but has anyone used Bort's supposition and built a Back with high First Step and low Quick Cut and seen them dance through the line using bursts of First Step? If not ... then +1 Daddy Warbucks ... First Step sucks for backs.

You guys are not even answering the question. We all know first step sucks for speed/elusive backs.

Originally posted by PackAttack785
You guys are not even answering the question. We all know first step sucks for speed/elusive backs.

Answer to the question:
Maybe.


My opinion:
Not nearly as much as power thru, lower the shoulder, or good vision will help.

Originally posted by PackAttack785
You guys are not even answering the question. We all know first step sucks for speed/elusive backs.

My apologies, I didn't realise this:

Originally posted by PackAttack785
It depends. Everyone should be able to make their own decision on it ... blah blah blah ...

- was answering the question better.

To follow Daddy Warbucks example then:

My answer to the question:
Yes it will be useful, but not as much as spending points on Power Back SAs