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His vision is high enough, sometimes he just doesn't hit the right receiver. Like these plays: (usually it's the plays that could have been touchdowns that he tosses to the wrong guy)

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=600238&pbp_id=4764230

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=600238&pbp_id=4765603
TE was open farther down field

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=600238&pbp_id=4766614
not a BAD choice, but the guy in the middle was WIDE open and could have scored.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=600238&pbp_id=4763171
The WR in the middle covered by a LB was wide open for what would have been huge


He had a decent game, completing 21 for 27 for 245 and 2 td's..... but it's just those plays where he's hitting the wrong guys that are annoying me. Anyone know why this may be happening or how to change it some??

Ya, your QB is not perfect.

Watch the replays frame by frame, it is very slight but you can actually see the QB bring the ball back and then throw it forward (Quick Release makes it a little more difficult to spot). Look for the first frame you can see the football start to move backwards compared to the QB's dot. I think it is safe to say the QB made his decision the tick before that or at the very start of that tick, so look at where the receivers and defenders are on those two frames to see what the QB did when he made his decision.

Originally posted by erik_m_vos

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=600238&pbp_id=4764230

When the QB begins bringing the ball back, the CB and SS are right on the slot WR that ends up looking open after the pass while the targeted WR is further down field and has slightly more separation at the time.

Originally posted by erik_m_vos

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=600238&pbp_id=4765603
TE was open farther down field

The LB may be giving the TE some cushion, but no one at all is on the RB.

Originally posted by erik_m_vos

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=600238&pbp_id=4766614
not a BAD choice, but the guy in the middle was WIDE open and could have scored.

I agree, it would be nice if the QB recognized a LB in man coverage on a WR as a severe mismatch. However the other WR was a little deeper and shook his CB pretty bad. The QB looks like he takes a while to release the ball too, which helps the other WR look more open by giving him more time between the QB making the decision and the ball leaving his hand.

Originally posted by erik_m_vos

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=600238&pbp_id=4763171
The WR in the middle covered by a LB was wide open for what would have been huge

Again, at the moment the ball starts backwards, the WR covered by the SS has more separation. Not to mention your QB was under pressure (the negative effects of which can be debated). I'd be all for QB picking on LBs in man coverage, Bort has openly stated he doesn't like LBs being able to do that and has penalized LBs covering WRs man-to-man.

Edit- Also remember Bort doesn't want any QB to make perfect reads every play. Even a QB with 100+ vision still has a base chance to make an incorrect read.

The way I understand it, QBs take in to account:

1) How open the receiver is. How much separation does he have from the nearest defender(s)?
2) How deep the receiver is.
3) How good the receiver is. Two guys both look to be equally open and are equally deep, the tie breaker goes to the one the game thinks has better stats.

Obviously the advanced tactics available to the QB let him make adjustments to the equations the games uses to determine when and to who the QB throws the ball, but I am pretty sure that's how it basically works.

At least now defenders don't instinctively know who is getting the ball the millisecond the QB starts to move his arm backwards. That always made the other receivers look even more open as defenders started leaving their man before the ball was in the air.

There is one thing about QB decision making I would like to know. Why can't the situational awareness be a little better? I used to tear my hair out watching my old QB throw to receivers 3 or 4 yards down field running a curl route when it is 3rd and 7 or a similar situation.

I say on 3rd and more than 5 and especially on 4th down, a QB should almost always throw to a man that is at least within a yard of the first down marker, assuming no one short of the marker is just wide open (and therefor likely to gain the extra yardage needed).

hmm thanks rsb014 thats all some usefull info

but yeah id had the same problem one play the WR was wide open and would have been a TD the guy open was even set as a FAV. and he threw it to another guy

There are three if not four VERY good wide receivers on this team, so it would be stupid for me to set a favorite target. My QB is lucky to have a decent WR corps to work with......

Again, like I said, not really complaining yet, his stats aren't BAD, but I just wish he'd chuck the ball to the guy he should every time.... that's not too much to ask for is it? lol HA

Thanks for the input, RSB

Originally posted by erik_m_vos
His vision is high enough, sometimes he just doesn't hit the right receiver. Like these plays: (usually it's the plays that could have been touchdowns that he tosses to the wrong guy)

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=600238&pbp_id=4764230

The WR you want him to throw to has LOW catching compared to the one who caught it.
Your QB will always throw to the receiver he thinks is most able to catch the ball.

Originally posted by erik_m_vos

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=600238&pbp_id=4766614
not a BAD choice, but the guy in the middle was WIDE open and could have scored.

On the tic when he pulls the ball back the RO has underneath coverage and the FS has him over the top.
While the other WR is WIDE.

Originally posted by erik_m_vos

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=600238&pbp_id=4763171
The WR in the middle covered by a LB was wide open for what would have been huge.

Same thing here. When you watch your replays, Pause them and watch them frame by frame.
You will see on the tic where he pulls the ball back (when the QB decides who do throw to)
The RO has underneath coverage again.

Tell the WR in the 1st replay to get his catching up.

Originally posted by rsb014
There is one thing about QB decision making I would like to know. Why can't the situational awareness be a little better? I used to tear my hair out watching my old QB throw to receivers 3 or 4 yards down field running a curl route when it is 3rd and 7 or a similar situation.

I say on 3rd and more than 5 and especially on 4th down, a QB should almost always throw to a man that is at least within a yard of the first down marker, assuming no one short of the marker is just wide open (and therefor likely to gain the extra yardage needed).

That is the offensive coordinator's fault. He should set somewhere in the OAI that if it is 3rd and 5 the play needs to be run with the WR PAST the marker.

Originally posted by Pook
Originally posted by rsb014

There is one thing about QB decision making I would like to know. Why can't the situational awareness be a little better? I used to tear my hair out watching my old QB throw to receivers 3 or 4 yards down field running a curl route when it is 3rd and 7 or a similar situation.

I say on 3rd and more than 5 and especially on 4th down, a QB should almost always throw to a man that is at least within a yard of the first down marker, assuming no one short of the marker is just wide open (and therefor likely to gain the extra yardage needed).

That is the offensive coordinator's fault. He should set somewhere in the OAI that if it is 3rd and 5 the play needs to be run with the WR PAST the marker.

Not only that, how predictable would it be if the QB's didn't throw to the underneath routes at all on 3rd and longs I have seen plenty of plays caught underneath that led to 1st downs.

Originally posted by Pook

That is the offensive coordinator's fault. He should set somewhere in the OAI that if it is 3rd and 5 the play needs to be run with the WR PAST the marker.

Until Bort gave offenses the ability to manually select plays, that was easier said than done. You would have to remove some plays from the playbook that you might actually want to run in situations other than 3rd and long.

Originally posted by smittdog101

Not only that, how predictable would it be if the QB's didn't throw to the underneath routes at all on 3rd and longs I have seen plenty of plays caught underneath that led to 1st downs.

I didn't say the QB would never throw to a man short of the marker. If the QB thinks the guy has enough open space ahead of him to get the first down, throw it.

Originally posted by rsb014
assuming no one short of the marker is just wide open (and therefor likely to gain the extra yardage needed).

I'm just saying that since WRs have a numerical value that represents how enticing they are to the QB, you could add a substantial modifier to that number for being close to or past the first down marker. That would probably help a lot of QBs. Heck you could even make it an advanced tactic so QBs that don't want to use it could turn it down or disable it.

I don't see a lot of WRs that break tons of tackles so I would rather my QB not bet on one to somehow slip a CB and pick up a first down after the catch if there are any options that wouldn't have to get an YAC for a first down.