Warrior General Games

Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by mmuhr

Originally posted by UnderDogs


Originally posted by Granted86




you judge based on stats which is wrong to begin with ...

i watch replays and watch how productive WRs are when JG is on the field ... stats for a CB come from when a QB throws the ball to a WR ... but if a team doesnt throw the ball to his side of the field he wont get stats ... but neither does the WR, i hope you can understand this concept ...

you are too ignorant to see past your own beliefs UD ...



You have got to be joking. please take 5 seconds and look over your schedule so far this season. you have blown out at least 7-8 teams by 100 or more. 4 of those by 200+ If your corner was any good he would have more than 1 int.



but how does he do in those games that arent blowouts? Granted is saying he still shuts down. I doubt he watches the replays of the blowouts.



I don't know his team is too busy leaving the HB WIDE OPEN for him to really matter.

changing the topic now? LMAO ... i used to thiink you were a CB guru UD ... i guess i was wrong

Originally posted by Granted86
Originally posted by UnderDogs

Originally posted by mmuhr


Originally posted by UnderDogs



Originally posted by Granted86





you judge based on stats which is wrong to begin with ...

i watch replays and watch how productive WRs are when JG is on the field ... stats for a CB come from when a QB throws the ball to a WR ... but if a team doesnt throw the ball to his side of the field he wont get stats ... but neither does the WR, i hope you can understand this concept ...

you are too ignorant to see past your own beliefs UD ...



You have got to be joking. please take 5 seconds and look over your schedule so far this season. you have blown out at least 7-8 teams by 100 or more. 4 of those by 200+ If your corner was any good he would have more than 1 int.



but how does he do in those games that arent blowouts? Granted is saying he still shuts down. I doubt he watches the replays of the blowouts.



I don't know his team is too busy leaving the HB WIDE OPEN for him to really matter.

changing the topic now? LMAO ... i used to thiink you were a CB guru UD ... i guess i was wrong

youre wrong... you were arguing that taking jumping up is more important than vision, which, while it may work just fine, is not as good as getting vision up higher. and then you also said that catching is way less important than jumping... which is again, wrong. cacthing increases your catching radius, and so logically it would also increase the radius at which you can create a PD, or, obviously pick off the ball. and as for that bit about how your CB never gets tossed at... UD statement about how your team never covers the HB ties into that. why throw the ball to a guy who is covered, when you can throw to the HB for some easy yards? Your argument about how your CB doesnt get passed to holds no weight because your DC doesnt know how make sure the HB is covered. That accusation may ultimately be false, frankly im too lazy to go and look through all your team's games. But i just goes to say that just because you arent being thrown at, doesnt mean you are a good CB. and UD is a guru, before him, catching was almost frowned upon in the CB community.

Originally posted by Worker 3


youre wrong... you were arguing that taking jumping up is more important than vision, which, while it may work just fine, is not as good as getting vision up higher.


I NEVER said jumping is more important than vision or that vision is more important than jumping ... you made that ASSUMPTION if your going to debate get your facts right ...

Originally posted by Worker 3

and then you also said that catching is way less important than jumping... which is again, wrong. cacthing increases your catching radius, and so logically it would also increase the radius at which you can create a PD, or, obviously pick off the ball


This I did say, and jumping IS more important than catching to a CB ... catching is more important than jumping to a WR

Jumping helps a CB make a tackle from further away, which is a bonus ... think about what you are saying ... If A QB throws the ball over a CBs head catching will not help that, jumping will ... If a CB cannot reach a pass to begin with no amount of catching will help that

If there is a jump ball between the WR/CB the player with higher (blank) will win ... fill in the blank

Here is some advice ... the SA Jump Catch ... Read the description ...

Originally posted by Worker 3

Your argument about how your CB doesnt get passed to holds no weight


JG plays CB1 so if a QB is not throwing at their #1 WR alot he is doing his job ...

Originally posted by Worker 3

UD is a guru, before him, catching was almost frowned upon in the CB community.


UDs ignorance is what holds him back, dont make the same mistake

Granted, you make one mistake. That is saying that jumping is one of the reasons your CB doesnt get thrown at.
No offense but that makes no sense what so ever. How will your CBs jumping factor into the QBs decision not to throw at the WR your covering?

since im too lazy to do all the fancy forum stuff, i'll just respond to all the stuff in order...

1. you did say that jumping to soft cap is better than vis to 60, even with the worth of natural gains. so it is logical to assume that you value jumping more than vision. and so while you never said it, you did imply/hint at it.

2. id say they are about even. You dont have to make a tackle from far away if you actually have enough speed/agl/vis to keep up with the receiver and his cuts, which can easily be done with 68/68/68. yes its going to happen from time to time, but i dont think from time to time is a valid enough reason to pump an attribute. and the ball is most likely going to go over your head if its a streak route, almost all other routes involve the WR cutting in or out, which would put the target to the side of you, which catching will help with. and strength... or maybe even catching, but WRs usually dont have 60 cap jumping, some do, but again time to time isnt enough to justify it. I myself have it at 60, but it is something i regret, should have taken it to soft cap and let it be.

3. no, it could very well mean that some other receiver is wide open on the field, so regardless of weather or not you have good coverage on your man, that HB is more than likely going to get thrown at as there is no defender to get in the way of the pass. its called a game plan.

4. you sure do like to throw that word "ignorant" around... if only you knew what it meant. ignorance is the condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed... i think UD is very much educated, aware, and informed. i think the word you are going for is arrogant... who is ignorant now? and btw... you can be arrogant and still know what you're doing/be a guru.

UD is very arrogant, but also very intelligent and I respect his opinion. Hey, we're all a little arrogant though. I know I am.

Vision is much better than jumping.

when did this topic turn into a flame war???

going back to the topic i would pump the extra sp into vision...

my reasoning...

i believe it is very important to get jumping to 40 to unlock ballhawk (and it appears that you have already done that)... maybe even soft cap it if you have to... imo you should stop there...

imo ball hawk seems to be the most important VA for a CB... and if you read the definition it appears that vision (and superior vision) seem to be key in maximizing its affect

"This player has a nose for the ball. Each level of Ball Hawk gives a +2% bonus to speed, agility, and vision from the moment a player SEES the pass coming until it is caught or dropped. Applies on both defense and offense"

so the earlier you SEE the ball the earlier you can unlock the bonus (figure level 15 ball hawk = a 30% bonus to each of the three attributes... so around a 20 pts a piece for players who have it capped at 68) that is huge...

i acknowledge the importance of jumping for diving tackles and fade routes in the end zone but those plays are too few and far between. vision is a factor on every play... even if it is as simple as judging if it is a rush or pass... that's why i believe it is more important to focus on...

call it 'cookie cutter' but it works... i don't get too adventurous when it comes to attributes... SAs and VAs seems to be a better outlet for experimentation... (ie... i've been trying out clutch until the next reset... many people think it is worthless... i just want to see... but i can always change it when the next reset comes... attributes are permanent)

Originally posted by Worker 3


1. you did say that jumping to soft cap is better than vis to 60, even with the worth of natural gains. so it is logical to assume that you value jumping more than vision. and so while you never said it, you did imply/hint at it.


Originally posted by Granted86


i pumped jumping pretty high on JG BEFORE vision was at 61 and it worked out GREAT for me ... so there is no set order on how things should be done ... i hope that puts things in perspective for you

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you can train vision longer if you cap jumping first ...

as i said there is no SET build on what works best ... it can be different from player to player depending on many factors ... the defense you team plays, your player tactics, and what the rest of your build is like ...




Originally posted by UnderDogs


Reality check?
Eastern Europe AAA is a joke. Africa AAA is more competitive.

UD i got a scrimmage sent to you can you get your team owner to accept?

good thread. bumped for newbs.

do u just go around bumping threads? you sir, are a professional.

Originally posted by whatje
do u just go around bumping threads? you sir, are a professional.

im good at what I do!

LOL