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cornerbackX24
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Originally posted by UnderDogs
Catching is crap.


That is correct, had a big issue with dropped/bobbled INTīs with catching around 3, therefor capped it prior season 8, helped jack to get more picks.
 
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Originally posted by cornerbackX24
Originally posted by UnderDogs

Catching is crap.


That is correct, had a big issue with dropped/bobbled INTīs with catching around 3, therefor capped it prior season 8, helped jack to get more picks.


???? what????
 
jw_smart1203
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confidence over catching anyday
 
codegod8
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nvm
Last edited Apr 27, 2009 14:53:07
 
cornerbackX24
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Originally posted by mmuhr
Originally posted by cornerbackX24

Originally posted by UnderDogs


Catching is crap.


That is correct, had a big issue with dropped/bobbled INTīs with catching around 3, therefor capped it prior season 8, helped jack to get more picks.


???? what????


I meant catching was around 30, my CB jumped in front of like 5-8 passes that season but dropped the (sure) INT everytime. Therefor I capped catching but had zero success with getting more INTīs. What didnt you understand?
 
mmuhr
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oh you stated "It helped jack to get more picks". Guess you didnt mean that, because if you did you'd be contradicting yourself...
 
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Originally posted by mmuhr
oh you stated "It helped jack to get more picks". Guess you didnt mean that, because if you did you'd be contradicting yourself...


yeah, I was confused too, he butchered that line.
 
cornerbackX24
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Woops yeah sorry guys...

jack -> nothing...
 
TJ Spikes
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lol. i checked to see if his player was named jack

/facepalm
 
mmuhr
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hahahaha
 
Homage
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Catching hasn't done a thing for my CB...
capped it at the end of season 7.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=933646

I also like this little gem from today...
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=500392&pbp_id=4857023 against lvl 47 QB/41 WR.
 
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Originally posted by misled
Catching hasn't done a thing for my CB...
capped it at the end of season 7.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=933646

I also like this little gem from today...
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=500392&pbp_id=4857023 against lvl 47 QB/41 WR.


how do you know that INT wasnt a result of catching?
Its really hard to tell if capping catching helped your guy or not because you play new players/teams after you cap it. Underdogs is the only one Iv seen that has any "proof" that catching might help. Even his data is sketch.
 
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I guess you didn't notice the stats. Before season 8, I capped catching and they went from... 4 ints to 13 ints. Granted a lot of them were blow out games... so I will show Season 9 against higher or same level competition.

Do I think catching is the end all be all? No. But do I think it helps in moving AFTER they intercept the ball to increase your chances in INT TD's or catching the BALL when the CB is in position to deflect or catch the ball? Yes.

Season 7:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=339023&pbp_id=8184958
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=339019&pbp_id=5131771
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=339016&pbp_id=2847358
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=339029&pbp_id=12625813

Season 9:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=500393&pbp_id=5809478
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=500393&pbp_id=5813428

Is this raw 100% truthful data? No. But I think it's clear there's a difference between the two. And the only two key differences are catching and ballhawk.
Last edited Apr 30, 2009 12:26:56
 
mmuhr
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wait, are you arguing for catching or against it? If your arguing for catching I totally agree with you. You can tell that something DOES help, but it seems hard to tell that something ISNT helping.

there might be some logic missing in that idea of mine though...
 
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well if you examine the quality of the catches and compare them with the old.. you can see that they were more direct and sure handed catches than the earlier seasons. That's all I'm trying to get at... sure there are some old ints that are decent grabs, but the shear number of quality catches increased from season 7 to seasons 8 and 9. Simply based on percentage wise basis.
 
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