Warrior General Games

Originally posted by evilmonkey
Originally posted by taurran

What's your point? My team has a WR that had the same bars at level 37.

point is that the only truly effective WRs are the pure speed builds. I'm trying to keep ppl from making the mistake that I did, and try to build a WR that could (bu the attribute numbers) jump / run / catch / turn / etc. I guess my subtle hinting posts didn't crack your thick skull.

DON'T pay attention to any guides when building your WR... seriously, just put points in speed. Speed is about the only stat that matters... A little agility and a little catching, but really, speed is all that you need. The best WR's DO NOT get their receiving bars to the dark green, they simply get their carrying bars up there, because speed is all that matters. If you don't put points into speed, you will end up being a mediocre player.



Just because your WR stinks with a high receiving bar, doesn't mean that the same logic applies to everyone else.

And you saying that Speed is the only thing that matters for WRs is just fucking ridiculous.

Besides, if a WR has a 60 receiving bar with a 57 Carrying bar, it doesn't mean that they're slow - not even close. It just means that they can catch the ball along with running fast.

Also, Agility has a decent effect on the receiving bar by itself, so your post also contradicts itself jn that sense, as Agility is becoming more and more important each season.

Sorry, if you're going to come in here talking shit, at least make an attempt to back it up, otherwise you're just going to look foolish, kind of like right now.

What about these guys?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=150842&playoffs=0
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=68406&playoffs=0
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=74156&playoffs=0
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=74690&playoffs=0
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=30659&playoffs=0
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=106555&playoffs=0
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=31526&playoffs=0
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=66992&playoffs=0

Yeah, there are a ton of non speed guys that are effective.

The problem is I leave my receivers build open much of the time and there hasn't been a great non speed guy post his build openly so everybody just assumes speed is the only way to make a wr.

Grifter's been open on and off since season 3 and yet nobody has managed to copy him to the point where they are better than him, at least in the leagues I've played so there will always be a place for the creative receiver.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=26938&playoffs=0

Only dark green receiving bar in season 6.

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Originally posted by Bukowski
Originally posted by evilmonkey

Originally posted by taurran


What's your point? My team has a WR that had the same bars at level 37.

point is that the only truly effective WRs are the pure speed builds. I'm trying to keep ppl from making the mistake that I did, and try to build a WR that could (bu the attribute numbers) jump / run / catch / turn / etc. I guess my subtle hinting posts didn't crack your thick skull.

DON'T pay attention to any guides when building your WR... seriously, just put points in speed. Speed is about the only stat that matters... A little agility and a little catching, but really, speed is all that you need. The best WR's DO NOT get their receiving bars to the dark green, they simply get their carrying bars up there, because speed is all that matters. If you don't put points into speed, you will end up being a mediocre player.



Just because your WR stinks with a high receiving bar, doesn't mean that the same logic applies to everyone else.

And you saying that Speed is the only thing that matters for WRs is just fucking ridiculous.

Besides, if a WR has a 60 receiving bar with a 57 Carrying bar, it doesn't mean that they're slow - not even close. It just means that they can catch the ball along with running fast.

Also, Agility has a decent effect on the receiving bar by itself, so your post also contradicts itself jn that sense, as Agility is becoming more and more important each season.

Sorry, if you're going to come in here talking shit, at least make an attempt to back it up, otherwise you're just going to look foolish, kind of like right now.

What about these guys?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=150842&playoffs=0
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=68406&playoffs=0
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=74156&playoffs=0
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=74690&playoffs=0
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=30659&playoffs=0
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=106555&playoffs=0
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=31526&playoffs=0
http://goallineblitz.com/game/full_player_stats.pl?player_id=66992&playoffs=0

I'm basing (mostly) everything on my experience (mostly) watching my QB play. The possession like WRs just rarely get open / thrown too. The speed WRs pretty much dominate when it comes to getting open.

I'm also basing it on watching the plays as opposed to reading stats. Stats (as we all know) are useless as a litmus test for the value of a player. In GLB, that statement is much more poignant than in real life... But when you watch replays, the speed guys are the most effective at getting good separation and, therefore, the ball. I'm not going to dig up a million plays that show the faster WR getting better separation. I'll let you do that when so that you can waste your time.

And my WR stinks, quite honestly, because my team stinks. And I make up a good 50% of the team. I'll take my lumps there. I have a lot of "bad" builds (mainly because I didn't pour my skill points into just one or two select stats).

But back to your post... please just try to read into my sarcasm a little... Speed isn't the ONLY thing that matters... Seriously, I thought you guys might "get" my acerbic tone (and I even said that agility and some catching matter, not just speed... WOW)... Nevertheless, from here on out, I'll be straightforward. Remember before this season when you had "speed DEs" and "normal DEs". Normal DE's plodded along at an NFL respectable 10-16 sacks per season, while "speed DEs" notched upwards of 80-100 sacks. The speed build dominated. "Power overwhelming!!" Note that the normal DE who "only" got 10-16 sacks were still useful, but paled in comparison to said stat-supermen "I've unlocked the secret of the universe and it is speed, and it is good" "speed DE builds.

The DE comparison above is analog to the WR comparison I'm trying to make. In that whilst possession WRs can be good and do serve a purpose, they are currently dominated by their speedier cousins in the abilities that matter.

One thing that would "equalize" the builds is drops. Speedsters with ~35-40 catching can rack up great seasons with about 2-5 dropped passes.

Possession guys with ~60 catching and all the catch-enhancing SAs can rack up average seasons with about 2-5 dropped passes.

One would think that the possession guys would at least drop less balls. I mean, give us something...

note, from here on out, the post will be sarcastic. Just a warning...

And now what you've been waiting for: It's my WR's BUILD!!!

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=31626

OMG please offer your sage-like advice and tell me how badly I screwed up! (also, since you can't see my gear, I've got level 24 gear since my team can't afford better... part of being loyal to a shitty team is that yo ass is broke).

But, to steal your thunder:

1) My agility is low... It would be 71 if I had appropriate gear for my level. Still no excuse!
2) My catching and Jumping are prolly too high... Catching I went for early in my career... I figured, what is a possession WR that can't catch? (and the answer is, a faster, more agile WR that will drop just as many balls as a very good catching WR, whodathunkit?) Jumping, well, I thought at one point, if I can jump higher than most CB's and LB's, the QB should adjust and throw it upstairs some more... You know... a guy with great hands and can go upstairs and bring that mother down... like Larry Fitzgerald or Moss. That is obviously secondary to having the speed and agility necessary to get open...

The rest... well, yep, I went a little overboard in SA's... and for those who think I'm dumb enough to put equipment points into catching and jumping...

+2 jumping on my advanced gear ... it takes so long to get something decent (its obvious what SA the gear has in it) that I stuck with the +2 jump.. sue me...

+2 catching on my custom -- I bought it in season 1. I was just as dumb as the rest of you then, but I'm not gunna sell it back, I'll just live with it.

Anyway...

Yup... please feel free to take my post as some violent attack on you and fire back with as much hate and loathing as possible... I'm obviously violating your senses just by even thinking of complaining that things might smell a little fishy when it comes to fairness it the wide world of GLB WRs.

Or if you didn't get that... then... here's the layman's version:

uh... ahem... SUCK MAHBALLS!!

this thread needs bumping imo, plus I just get giggles from ppl. saying speed rules.... (season 7 it didn't) yes they can get open, but for some weird reason in season 7 most QB's refused to "SEE" the wide open receivers, instead opting to pass to the double or triple covered WR (usually hot route, tho not always) .

we didn't really have that experience. our team is only one example, but in season 7 the one WR who clearly excelled the most was the guy who pumped everything into speed. He got plenty of targets and about 50% more receptions and yards than our other receivers, and a lot more TDs. He had 8 drops, compared with 1-3 for the others. but anyway, maybe the QB's ability to "see" the speedy receiver has to do with the QB build as well, like vision?

Possession Wide Reciever can still dominate if they solely base their build on catching and nothing else. Your problem is that your actually try to build a speed WR but screwed-up and made it into a balanced. For example a WR with 100++ catching and 80++ jumping could easily dominate CBs by simply catching everything that come thier way even though they get tackle straight after. Possession WR can still make up as much yards as speedy WR by simply catching more passes.