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Originally posted by Riggs_Inator
Well think of this: Power Through doesn't reliably start showing up until it is 9+ just about. So for juke ect to really start working I would assume it should be 9+ as well.
That's not really the issue, though, imo. Elusive backs have no counter to the slow down at the LOS mechanic. Power backs use strength to get through the pile, but elusives can't do anything (but slow down), which means instant tackle. If an elusive could use vision to find a hole and maintain somewhere near top speed, it would be an even playing field. But, as it is, OCs have to manufacture ways to get elusives out in space, because just handing the ball of isn't good enough.

It doesn't matter if my HB jukes one, two or three guys at the LOS because there are three more ready to bring him down, and it only takes one (because he won't be breaking any tackles).

Originally posted by Asheme
Originally posted by Riggs_Inator

Well think of this: Power Through doesn't reliably start showing up until it is 9+ just about. So for juke ect to really start working I would assume it should be 9+ as well.
That's not really the issue, though, imo. Elusive backs have no counter to the slow down at the LOS mechanic. Power backs use strength to get through the pile, but elusives can't do anything (but slow down), which means instant tackle. If an elusive could use vision to find a hole and maintain somewhere near top speed, it would be an even playing field. But, as it is, OCs have to manufacture ways to get elusives out in space, because just handing the ball of isn't good enough.

It doesn't matter if my HB jukes one, two or three guys at the LOS because there are three more ready to bring him down, and it only takes one (because he won't be breaking any tackles).


HB screen=epic this season
my HB has almost as many receiving yards as rushing yards

Yup.

w/o screens my HB would be a sad panda.

Originally posted by Asheme
Yup.

w/o screens my HB would be a sad panda.

Emo Bear tbh

Look at my backs... same team... not same stats. Really just look at receiving yards if you want a comparison. MY hb had to get moved from hb to get utilized

Super elusive could be >elusive

Originally posted by Nuge20
HB screen=epic this season
my HB has almost as many receiving yards as rushing yards

I don't understand this comment. I looked at some games expecting you to throw the screen a lot with that kind of receiving yards. But when I looked at the London game, most of your catches were because you were coming out of the back feild wide open in single back formations and Strong I's and I's. That was only a couple of games ago, do they all look like that. Because if so I don't think the HB screen is really helping you much, if at all.

Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by Nuge20

HB screen=epic this season
my HB has almost as many receiving yards as rushing yards

I don't understand this comment. I looked at some games expecting you to throw the screen a lot with that kind of receiving yards. But when I looked at the London game, most of your catches were because you were coming out of the back feild wide open in single back formations and Strong I's and I's. That was only a couple of games ago, do they all look like that. Because if so I don't think the HB screen is really helping you much, if at all.


We have called a few HB screens and usually get a good gain but most yards are actually from just getting out into the open field on 2 yard routes

Originally posted by Asheme

That's not really the issue, though, imo. Elusive backs have no counter to the slow down at the LOS mechanic. Power backs use strength to get through the pile, but elusives can't do anything (but slow down), which means instant tackle. If an elusive could use vision to find a hole and maintain somewhere near top speed, it would be an even playing field. But, as it is, OCs have to manufacture ways to get elusives out in space, because just handing the ball of isn't good enough.

It doesn't matter if my HB jukes one, two or three guys at the LOS because there are three more ready to bring him down, and it only takes one (because he won't be breaking any tackles).


They kinda do, but it's not a great option. It would probably require high levels of First Step and Quick Cut coupled with a highly boosted Slippery and Short Yardage Monster.

So SYM to 15 is +30% to breaking tackles behind the line and Slippery at 15 is also +30% to break tackles in general (that's +60% on a TFL). Bort stated that First Step doesn't just activate from a stop, but activates when a player falls below a certain speed threshold. So the LOS slowdown coupled with a missed tackle or two should be enough to activate FS. Then QC can help in the area immediately past the LOS.

I still don't think it equals the raw advantage that power backs get. And it certainly consumes more "points" and time to build and be effective. But think it can work.

I'd be interested to see if anyone has gone this route yet.

I don't believe so, but it's one hell of an idea and I'm willing to try it out lol

Originally posted by taz20075
I still don't think it equals the raw advantage that power backs get. And it certainly consumes more "points" and time to build and be effective. But think it can work.
Well, despite the fact it'd be a heavy investment outside of a "normal" elusive build (while power backs get an inborn advantage without changing a thing), I'm not sure how successful it would be. My HB has a stupidly large amount of SP invested in SAs (9 in FS, 7 in QC, 9 in Juke, etc.), and spent the first round of VAs (before the reset) on Quick Feet (15 VPs) and Quick (10 VPs) to try and actually juke someone in the hole, and it didn't work out at all.

Now, what you're outlining is slightly different, but the issue with +break tackle % increases for elusives is they don't break many tackles in the first place. So it's a multiplicative % modifier to an already extremely low base percentage, and I wouldn't think it could make much of a difference.

i'm guessing you're going to have to have an assload of agility and vision for super elusive to even be viable. Depending on how its debut works out, I may just try and take vision to the 3:1 softcap. Really all depends on how it actually works, though.

Originally posted by Asheme
Yup.

w/o screens my HB would be a sad panda.

This.

Almost all of my rushing stats have come against gutted competition but he's having a great year receiving.. most from screens.