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jaydepps
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I just started recently I am in my fourth game and I was wondering if anyone could offer any suggestions as to how I could better my SS and he is also a KR.

Thanks
Last edited Sep 30, 2008 00:27:19
 
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I can't comment at all as a KR since I've never really paid attention to them. But as far as your safety abilities, I'd say you're on the right track with the exception that your agility is WAYYYYYY too low.

Agility governs your acceleration. Having a speed of 40+ and an agility of 12 means your guy can (theoretically) run pretty fast...but he takes forever and a day to actually get up to full speed. In other words, he has no "burst" speed. You need high agility to achieve that. Agility also is the primary stat that determines your "turning radius"; a player with high speed but no agility can be fast when running in a straight line, but if you suddenly need to change direction, your guy can only do that by making these really weird-looking, wide looping turns. Agility (combined with vision, which you have enough of for now), combined with tackling, is what governs your ability to tackle elusive RB's and WR's.

Other than that, your guy is off to a solid start. For the short term, I'd dump all of your daily training into agility. Your next couple of level-ups, put all 5 points into agility. A general rule of thumb I like to use for safeties is to have your agility at approximately 75% of whatever your speed is, give or take. Early on in a player's career, favoring speed a bit more than that is probably okay, but I would work to always keep your agility at least 50% of what your speed is.

Once you get your agility over 20 or so, I would then switch over your daily training to one of your lower stats (but one that is still important for you). Strength, stamina, and jumping are all pretty important for a SS, and any (or all) of those would make good candidates for your training points. Strength helps with tackling power backs and also increases your chance to cause a fumble when making a hit. Jumping is a surprisingly useful stat for a safety; it is a big factor in determining your ability to make pass deflections (and, I presume, jumping for interceptions) and it also plays a big role in making diving tackles. Stamina governs how quickly during the course of a game your player wears down; the lower your stamina, the more you will see your player's performance drop over the course of a game. Pump your level-up SP's into agility (still) as well as vision, which is another stat you want to keep pretty high. I would say once your agility and vision are both near 30, then you can start putting more into speed.

Ignore SA's entirely in the early part of your career. Nearly all of them depend upon you having high enough base stats in order for them to help you to any significant degree. That being said, when looking long-term, I think the SS's "Coverage Abilites" tree is one of the best SA trees in all of GLB, for any position. All five of those SA's are useful to a SS. Change Direction, Super Vision, and Closing Speed are extremely useful skills for a higher level SS and will help you every single play, whether you are defending a pass play or up near the line of scrimmage for run-stuffing. People on the forums have differing opinions on these, but I would say around level 8-10 is the time to start cautiously investing into SA's.

SS's are fun players, but they are hard to build well since they need to be reasonably high in SO many different areas. Eventually, a season or two down the road, if you settle in on a good team that you like and you expect to be with long-term, some of your decisions as to where to focus your points will be determined by what sort of defensive scheme your team plays. But that's not something to worry about until your guy is level 25+.
Last edited Sep 30, 2008 07:34:42
 
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Ignore this guy. You're on the right path. The D-leagues don't really count for anything, so your entire first season is devoted to maximizing experience and utilizing your SP in the most effective way for the future. Training your agility would be a good idea, but don't put any SP into it until speed is softcapped.
 
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Originally posted by Blamo
Ignore this guy. You're on the right path. The D-leagues don't really count for anything, so your entire first season is devoted to maximizing experience and utilizing your SP in the most effective way for the future. Training your agility would be a good idea, but don't put any SP into it until speed is softcapped.


+1

Sadly, you wasted your equipment into vision. Buy new one into stamina and train on stamina first. Play at hard to get most XP.
Last edited Sep 30, 2008 20:48:02
 
jaydepps
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Thanks for the help everyone.
 
jaydepps
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One more quick question. Around what level should I begin training the special abilities for my SS? Thanks
 
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#1 Speed
#2 Agility
#3 Vision
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#4 Tackling
#5 Strength
#6 Jumping

In my opinion, first things first -- soft cap speed. All FS/SS/CB/WR are best off soft capping speed.

Use all of your equipment as speed bursts. If for some reason you aren't comfortable with all equipment as speed, then split them between speed and agility. Do not use equipment on any other rating. It is basically a waste of equipment.

I would recommend you sell your current equipment and re-buy them as speed boosts.

After you soft cap your speed, +1 equipment boost is worth +2 SP. That's why it is so key to use equipment on your top skills.

If you are willing to slow build while you're in the D-leagues, then I recommend soft-capping speed, then do not assign anymore SP until you train agility up to at least 20, preferably 25.

If you do it this way, then you will be extending fewer SP's onto your agility.

Example: If you have 15 agility, and then you start committing SP towards your soft-cap, then you will spend 33 SP. (technically it would be less, because you will get your leveling boosts, but for this explanation we're just going to ignore leveling boosts). If you save your SP, train agility up to 25, then you're only committing 23 SP onto agility, giving you 10 SP that you wouldn't have had otherwise.

Free Safety and Strong Safety have different duties depending on what defensive schemes your team runs, so it's almost your choice as to what style SS you choose to be.

SS needs to have more strength and tackling than a FS would require. If you soft cap speed, and use all your equipment on speed, that could be all the speed you need at SS.

I have a LVL 32 Free Safety who is very successful. I am building a Strong Safety right now who looks quite similar to your current build.

In regards to Agility:Speed ratios, I would suggest a 2:3 ratio. Basically, I suggest 50 agility:75 speed.
Last edited Oct 8, 2008 23:19:48
 
jaydepps
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Thanks for the help everyone. I put all my equipment into speed and will upgrade them when I save enough money up. I'm in D-League for another like 20 days. I have 53 Speed and am almost at 30 agility.

Then should I get vision, tackling, and strength to 30?
 
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Originally posted by jaydepps
Thanks for the help everyone. I put all my equipment into speed and will upgrade them when I save enough money up. I'm in D-League for another like 20 days. I have 53 Speed and am almost at 30 agility.

Then should I get vision, tackling, and strength to 30?


Yes, then get them to 48, 60, 68. Look to the future. Don't worry about SA's at all until you are level 30. You have plenty of places to put your points. You are in your first season. You hopefully will have 9 more seasons ahead of you. You need to build a solid base player, then start rounding him out. To build a solid base player, you need to build up your primary skills, which are speed, agility, and vision. If you get these 3 each up to 68 unequipped, and stamina into the 40's you will have a fine base player that you can later round out with jumping, strength, catching, confidence and SA's. It should take you about 3 seasons to do this.

You can possibly stop at the 2nd cap for 2 of your primaries then start concentrating on other things.
 
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Thanks, I'm gonna go through with that plan. I also looked on the wiki and saw an "ideal" build. Is this one true?

Strength: 35
Speed: 70
Agility: 40
Jumping: 25
Stamina: 45
Vision: 45
Confidence: 25
Blocking: N/A
Tackling: 35
Throwing: N/A
Catching: 25
Carrying: 20
Kicking: N/A
Punting: N/A
 
FatLoad
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Originally posted by jaydepps
Thanks, I'm gonna go through with that plan. I also looked on the wiki and saw an "ideal" build. Is this one true?

Strength: 35
Speed: 70
Agility: 40
Jumping: 25
Stamina: 45
Vision: 45
Confidence: 25
Blocking: N/A
Tackling: 35
Throwing: N/A
Catching: 25
Carrying: 20
Kicking: N/A
Punting: N/A


What level is that player? Needs more speed, agility, and vision. Until these 3 skills are maxed out, you don't need anything else. A good strong safety on a good team will not get a lot of statistics, but that player will help prevent big plays. Your team has a much better chance of winning when they don't give up big plays. A good SS won't get thrown at a lot, helps cover when the CB's get beat, helps stop the run. Speed, agility, and vision are needed on the GLB field to do this job.
 
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I believe this one is level 32
 
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not ideal. never believe anyone when they say "this is the best/ideal build", no matter how high the level is or how smart they think they sound. there is no such thing as the best build
 
jaydepps
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Thanks. Also, is there a way to make my guy better at covering the TE. He is having trouble covering Tight Ends for some reason. Last game he let the TE catch twice for the first down.
 


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