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MadCow420
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Originally posted by Hagalaz

Define "bad" and "good" please. What is the definition of each in your eyes? I have to admit, so many people proclaim me bad at the game, and I do indeed wonder why. I see myself as achieving every single goal of mine, and hence, great at the game.

Care to enlighten me as to your point of view?

I think the problem is that you lecture other people on the build process without having achieved legitimacy as a builder. Not being in the WL is 100% fine, as the only real "goal" in GLB should be to enjoy the experience, but when you take it upon yourself to criticize the way others do things then you should generally have some accomplishments to back that up.


This imo...
 
Longhornfan1024
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Originally posted by O' HappyCow
He spent all last season arguing with some DS guys. He was telling them they were building dots/teams wrong. DS, the network that has dominated the WL off and on for the better part of 10 seasons. People can't be that dense


That's pretty funny.
 
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Originally posted by O' HappyCow
low goals are easy to accomplish. Why dont you make the WL your goal.. or maybe winning the WL? But to waste season after season in pro and calling it "sucessful" is just silly. Its the pussification of America. You are pretty much playing for a "participation trophy" instead of trying to win something yourself. How you can't understand this is beyond me.


Why should I make the WL my goal? Really. That is -> YOUR <- goal.

Mine is to make players that are good at their job, experiment with new stuff, and perfect the experiment with each iteration of the experiment. What does the WL have to do with it, if anything?

You want to win the WL, fine, go ahead. I don't care. I never tried. Comparing my players to players doing the same role shows mine as being well above average, so as far as I see it, it is YOU that needs proving. Show me your stellar players go ahead!

Anyway, how can it be the "pussification of america" when I am neither an american nor ever set foot in your country? Hell, if you guys are representatives of it, I'll never go there unless work demands it. You disgust me, really. The lack of respect for the common good and the lack of interest in doing the best you can is simply appalling...

It is as if mediocrity is your goal, but if you reach an arbitrary league that may or may not have been due to your skills, suddenly you're great. Makes no sense to me. It's illogical.

You want others to be like you, and they aren't, they are "bad" ? Really now? Very rational that there...

You want to be better than others. Good for you. I want to be better than MYSELF.
 
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Originally posted by Hagalaz
Originally posted by O' HappyCow

low goals are easy to accomplish. Why dont you make the WL your goal.. or maybe winning the WL? But to waste season after season in pro and calling it "sucessful" is just silly. Its the pussification of America. You are pretty much playing for a "participation trophy" instead of trying to win something yourself. How you can't understand this is beyond me.


Why should I make the WL my goal? Really. That is -> YOUR <- goal.

Mine is to make players that are good at their job, experiment with new stuff, and perfect the experiment with each iteration of the experiment. What does the WL have to do with it, if anything?

You want to win the WL, fine, go ahead. I don't care. I never tried. Comparing my players to players doing the same role shows mine as being well above average, so as far as I see it, it is YOU that needs proving. Show me your stellar players go ahead!

Anyway, how can it be the "pussification of america" when I am neither an american nor ever set foot in your country? Hell, if you guys are representatives of it, I'll never go there unless work demands it. You disgust me, really. The lack of respect for the common good and the lack of interest in doing the best you can is simply appalling...

It is as if mediocrity is your goal, but if you reach an arbitrary league that may or may not have been due to your skills, suddenly you're great. Makes no sense to me. It's illogical.

You want others to be like you, and they aren't, they are "bad" ? Really now? Very rational that there...

You want to be better than others. Good for you. I want to be better than MYSELF.


so much fail in one post.
 
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Originally posted by jdbolick

I think the problem is that you lecture other people on the build process without having achieved legitimacy as a builder. Not being in the WL is 100% fine, as the only real "goal" in GLB should be to enjoy the experience, but when you take it upon yourself to criticize the way others do things then you should generally have some accomplishments to back that up.


 
Hagalaz
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Originally posted by jdbolick

I think the problem is that you lecture other people on the build process without having achieved legitimacy as a builder. Not being in the WL is 100% fine, as the only real "goal" in GLB should be to enjoy the experience, but when you take it upon yourself to criticize the way others do things then you should generally have some accomplishments to back that up.


JD, I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm gonna ask you something honestly, and I would like it if you would take the time to answer it to your best belief...

Do you believe that every single position and role in this game is better off with 4 AEQ?

If you don't, then you too disagree with the guy from "DS" or whatever they are, who insistently stated that everyone should be 4 AEQ at all times.

And that is the whole axis of the argument. I don't care if he has won every single game he has played in GLB since s1d0, he is still doing it wrong when it comes to building players, and if he is doing well, he would be doing MUCH BETTER should he analyze each case individually.
 
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Originally posted by O' HappyCow
so much fail in one post.


Show me your players. Go ahead. Still waiting.
 
Dub J
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I need some assistance ITT. I'm having a hard time understanding the dynamics of this thread, tbh.

Is this a "I'm better than you", "I suck but I'm still better than you", or "there's only one right way to play the game" thread?

 
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Originally posted by Hagalaz
Originally posted by jdbolick


I think the problem is that you lecture other people on the build process without having achieved legitimacy as a builder. Not being in the WL is 100% fine, as the only real "goal" in GLB should be to enjoy the experience, but when you take it upon yourself to criticize the way others do things then you should generally have some accomplishments to back that up.


JD, I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm gonna ask you something honestly, and I would like it if you would take the time to answer it to your best belief...

Do you believe that every single position and role in this game is better off with 4 AEQ?

If you don't, then you too disagree with the guy from "DS" or whatever they are, who insistently stated that everyone should be 4 AEQ at all times.

And that is the whole axis of the argument. I don't care if he has won every single game he has played in GLB since s1d0, he is still doing it wrong when it comes to building players, and if he is doing well, he would be doing MUCH BETTER should he analyze each case individually.


look, If DS says they want 4 AEQ dots and they win multiple WL titles with them, then I guess they are doing it right. Who are you to question them? Not only question them, but attack them with your all knowing ignorance. But no proof that what you are doing works any better than what they are doing. They have several WL titles to back up however they want to build a team, You have nothing. and to blame ALG is just silly
 
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Originally posted by Hagalaz
JD, I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm gonna ask you something honestly, and I would like it if you would take the time to answer it to your best belief...

Do you believe that every single position and role in this game is better off with 4 AEQ?

If you don't, then you too disagree with the guy from "DS" or whatever they are, who insistently stated that everyone should be 4 AEQ at all times.

And that is the whole axis of the argument. I don't care if he has won every single game he has played in GLB since s1d0, he is still doing it wrong when it comes to building players, and if he is doing well, he would be doing MUCH BETTER should he analyze each case individually.


you do know that what is considered a good build is subjective right?

 
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Originally posted by Hagalaz
Why should I make the WL my goal? Really. That is -> YOUR <- goal.

Mine is to make players that are good at their job, experiment with new stuff, and perfect the experiment with each iteration of the experiment. What does the WL have to do with it, if anything?

You want to win the WL, fine, go ahead. I don't care. I never tried. Comparing my players to players doing the same role shows mine as being well above average, so as far as I see it, it is YOU that needs proving. Show me your stellar players go ahead!

Anyway, how can it be the "pussification of america" when I am neither an american nor ever set foot in your country? Hell, if you guys are representatives of it, I'll never go there unless work demands it. You disgust me, really. The lack of respect for the common good and the lack of interest in doing the best you can is simply appalling...

It is as if mediocrity is your goal, but if you reach an arbitrary league that may or may not have been due to your skills, suddenly you're great. Makes no sense to me. It's illogical.

You want others to be like you, and they aren't, they are "bad" ? Really now? Very rational that there...

You want to be better than others. Good for you. I want to be better than MYSELF.


WL is the goal because most leagues below WL include a bunch of joke teams and joke dots. You are trying to give advice in a game where the absolute top level is WL, not some lower league. If you want to give advice, you should know that your methods work at that top level. You can't know that because you've never been good enough to make it there. Regardless of how you approach this game, if you are giving advice you should make sure that its good advice. Your personal goals are irrelevant.

And if you are perfectly happy with comparing your success to other dots in scrub leagues, then mediocrity is your goal. If madcow and I were to put our dots into the same leagues as you keep your dots, they would crush every team in the league. But we prefer to play against the top agents in the game, not mediocre agents.
 
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Originally posted by O' HappyCow
look, If DS says they want 4 AEQ dots and they win multiple WL titles with them, then I guess they are doing it right.

That right there is WRONG! ABSOLUTELY AND TOTALLY WRONG!!!!

They are winning with performance of 100. If there's a way to get 110, THEY ARE NOT DOING IT RIGHT!!!!


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Who are you to question them?

Anyone and everyone should question anyone and everyone. It's the basis for evolution and the whole scientific knowledge we have as species.

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Not only question them, but attack them with your all knowing ignorance.

The best defense is offense when it comes to this. Idiots don't get it in any other way.

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But no proof that what you are doing works any better than what they are doing.

I am one person. I have no teams, I do not coordinate, I do not have a pyramid structure feeding my experiments, I am one person. I cannot be compared to 50 different persons coordinating everything. Compare 1 person, to 1 person and only, 1 player to 1 player and only. The only proof that what I (individual, not plural) will be giving is that I (or a player of mine) is better than a player elsewhere or a builder elsewhere.

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They have several WL titles to back up however they want to build a team, You have nothing.

Good for them, why is that relevant? I never tried to have anything, I don't draw fun from it. Why should I care? Why should anyone care? Why does that have anything to do with this discussion?

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and to blame ALG is just silly

Wait, what? I'm blaming ALG for newer players not understanding the game as much, what does that have to do with how I build or how many WL titles a random network or team has? That makes no sense!


 
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Originally posted by Dr. Showtime
you do know that what is considered a good build is subjective right?



Of course, but I am not making an absolute statement, that guy was. He said "4 AEQ ALL THE TIME!" and I said "no, wait, you should analyze it on a case-by-case basis". And people are attacking ME for it. It's so ridiculous it makes me want to laugh!
 
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Originally posted by Hagalaz
Do you believe that every single position and role in this game is better off with 4 AEQ?

3 AEQ vs. 4 AEQ is highly debatable, which is kind of the point. It's not a situation where someone is making a mathematical error that you can correct with absolute confidence. Look, I'm not saying that you shouldn't be critical or that you need to have tons of WL experience before you're allowed to be, but when you're critical without that background then you're going to take flak for it.
 
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Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
If madcow and I were to put our dots into the same leagues as you keep your dots, they would crush every team in the league. But we prefer to play against the top agents in the game, not mediocre agents.





That read to me like you said hagz would crush every team in the league.


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