Warrior General Games

Originally posted by StudMuffin
not bad......but what about

otto graham

His 9.0 yards per pass attempt still makes him the most productive passer of all time and after adjusting his stats for differences in eras his 4,046 yards per season (2,358 actual) is second only to Peyton Manning
In his entire 10 year professional football career Graham never finished a season without playing in a championship game...think about that...in 10 years he played in 10 championships and he won 7 of them.


sammy baugh

Despite being retired for nearly 60 years he's still tied for the record for most seasons leading the league in passing yards and he still holds the record for the most years with the lowest interception percentage

roger staubach

2 wins and 2 apperances in 11 years.....career was a bit short

bart starr
5 championships in 7 years


and unitas should be higher (the tom brady of his day)

just some food for thought


QB position is so different now, it's just really hard to compare. I'd throw Staubach on the list maybe, or Bradshaw...but really Johnny U is the only oldster that is just hard to deny a spot.

Originally posted by bhall43
Sayers and Campbell had too short of stints to be top 10 list worthy.

Compared to AP?

Dan Marino - Some Defensive help but no RB ever

Originally posted by Team Nucleus
Dan Marino - Some Defensive help but no RB ever

Marino was amazing, just tough to live down the no-rings legacy.

Originally posted by tautology
Compared to AP?

AP is already surpassing both those guys.

Originally posted by tautology
I'm not sure how AP makes this list and Earl Campbell doesn't. Also, Gale Sayers?
Campbell's first three seasons were incredible, but he was average and then pretty terrible after that. As for Sayers, four out of AP's five seasons have been better than any Gale ever had. Bo Jackson is a better example of a tremendously short but brilliant career than Sayers.

Originally posted by tautology
I think you have to dump Tarkenton for Drew Brees.
No. I like Drew and I said in our magazine at the time that San Diego was making a huge mistake by letting him go, but his numbers in New Orleans aren't an accurate reflection of him the same way that Emmitt Smith's aren't.


Originally posted by StudMuffin
not bad......but what about otto graham
Good point. He should have been on there.

Originally posted by Gart888
what if the broncos win the superbowl this season?

Originally posted by jdbolick
Then he'd have a 41.7% record in first round games as opposed to Favre's 75%.

Originally posted by Gart888
he'd also have 2 rings and da best footwork OF ALL TIME.

Two rings from two different teams would be awfully impressive. Don't think that's ever been done as a QB?

Originally posted by tautology
QB position is so different now, it's just really hard to compare. I'd throw Staubach on the list maybe, or Bradshaw...but really Johnny U is the only oldster that is just hard to deny a spot.

Were CB pass penalties always called so tight and all the rules added each season protecting the QB. Seems like the QB's of old were warriors.

QB's

1. Joe Montana
2. Tom Brady
3. Johnny Unitas
4. John Elway
5. Peyton Manning
6. Steve Young
7. Terry Bradshaw
8. Dan Marino
9. Brett Favre
10. Roger Staubach

HB's

1. Jim Brown
2. Barry Sanders
3. Emmitt Smith
4. Marshall Faulk
5. LaDainian Tomlinson
6. Walter Payton
7. Eric Dickerson
8. Earl Campbell
9. Shaun Alexander
10. Curtis Martin

Originally posted by CyberNinja
QB's

1. Joe Montana
2. Tom Brady
3. Johnny Unitas
4. John Elway
5. Peyton Manning
6. Steve Young
7. Terry Bradshaw
8. Dan Marino
9. Brett Favre
10. Roger Staubach
Putting Bradshaw on the list immediately makes you look ridiculous.

Originally posted by jdbolick
Originally posted by CyberNinja

QB's

1. Joe Montana
2. Tom Brady
3. Johnny Unitas
4. John Elway
5. Peyton Manning
6. Steve Young
7. Terry Bradshaw
8. Dan Marino
9. Brett Favre
10. Roger Staubach
Putting Bradshaw on the list immediately makes you look ridiculous.

4 rings

With a terrible QB, which is what makes the Steelers' defense so incredible.

OL sucked, no HB, Lynn Swann was his only go to WR come on JD

#1 QB Tom Brady and still playing
#1 HB split decision Barry Sanders and Walter Payton
#1 WR hands down Randy Moss

Originally posted by CyberNinja
OL sucked, no HB, Lynn Swann was his only go to WR come on JD

And before you say Franko Harris, he was a FB