Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Novus
Do you feel the same way about having the option to have your build open or closed too? 'Cause I guarantee, your build is far more important than your tactics.

I really don't get this... people have no problem letting owners see their builds, but their TACTICS are where they draw the line? That's like saying, "Okay, you can see my junk, but I'm drawing the line at letting you see my shoulder too! My shirt stays on!"

actually, yes, if I had my way, no builds would be open

Originally posted by dbreeze
Good owners will prosper. Bad owners will fail. This is a tool that will help separate them.
In real life, you'd "hide" your tactics choices for how many plays?

its not about hiding or not hiding, its about whether, in the competitive market place, agents should be forced to have tactics dictated by owners/ coordinators (who often don't know what the F they are doing)

Originally posted by fogie55
this is just "creeping owner-ism" the gradual shift of control from the agents to the team owners... this must be stopped...

The York family doesn't get to tell Frank Gore how hard he is going to play.... what degree of effort he'll give or in what manner... all they can do is sign/not sign him based on his performance.

Actually, the York family DOES get to tell Frank Gore how hard to play. He works for them. Whether or not he actually does what they tell him to do is entirely up to Frank Gore, of course. And if he decides to ignore them and does his own thing, then the York family has to look at the results of Gore's decision and make their own decision about what to do about it.

Smart team owners in GLB, when faced with a dot who keeps their tactics closed, will have to go through the same process. If that owner is stupid, they'll bench that dot regardless of the on-field results, and they'll pay the price for it when their team starts losing games they should've won. If they're smart, they'll swallow their pride and let that gifted dot go win games for them. It's the exact same thing that owners do with closed builds right now, and the "marketplace" has done a fine job of sorting that out.

People who want to keep their tactics closed will be fine. And in the meantime, those of us who want our tactics to be open and who don't even have the choice to right now will finally have that choice.

I may be an owner -- but I also have dots on teams that I don't own, and I want the owners of those teams to be able to see my Tactics. Right now, they can't.

Originally posted by fogie55
No matter what anyone says about how this is "voluntary"--it will result in teams not signing players who don't comply... you know it will happen.

Yes. It will also result in teams signing players and not worrying about whether or not their tactics are open, just like there are teams right now who sign players and don't worry about whether or not their builds are open. Imagine that -- different owners having different ideas about what they expect out of their dots. What a concept!

Originally posted by fogie55
I am utterly shocked that 70% of people right now think this is a good idea!

82%, actually.

Official votes as of Friday 1/21 10:00am Eastern Time:
FOR: 858 (82.03%)
AGAINST: 188 (17.97%)

Originally posted by Novus
Originally posted by fogie55

worst idea ever! why not just let agents sign over their dots to the team?

Do you feel the same way about having the option to have your build open or closed too? 'Cause I guarantee, your build is far more important than your tactics.

I really don't get this... people have no problem letting owners see their builds, but their TACTICS are where they draw the line? That's like saying, "Okay, you can see my junk, but I'm drawing the line at letting you see my shoulder too! My shirt stays on!"

So when do agents who mind you pretty much pay for the team get to see the AI and game summary without having to be a GM ?

This has issues written all over it and honestly says a lot about this game for even being voted on. The tactics are set in the AI and it pretty much tells you on the agent side whatever an agent sets it on is just a balance feature IF it does anything at all. And since the build is more important anyway........................

Bort may as well just remove the sliders and let the GM's do everything for us and we just build/boost the dots.

Originally posted by Novus

82%, actually.

Official votes as of Friday 1/21 10:00am Eastern Time:
FOR: 858 (82.03%)
AGAINST: 188 (17.97%)

I can't think of a few people who I suspect have voted 2 or 3 times. We all know a bunch of the votes are multi's on both sides , unless you're new around here.

Alrighty, F8n4tune, your grasp of grammar and punctuation is... well... iffy. So I'm going to fix your posts (seriously, no sarcasm), and then respond to them.

Originally posted by F8n4tune
So when do agents (who, mind you, pretty much pay for the team) get to see the AI and game summary without having to be a GM?
I'd be fine with that, to be honest. I've got some great agents on my team, and I'd love it if people could easily *see* (but not change) my AI and point out things I may have overlooked. Go start a Suggestion!

Originally posted by F8n4tune
This has issues written all over it, and honestly says a lot about this game for even being voted on.
Yep. It says that when 90% of the responses in a Suggestions thread are "+1", the mods actually pay attention and put it up for a vote.

Originally posted by F8n4tune
The tactics are set in the AI and it pretty much tells you. On the agent side, whatever an agent sets it on is just a balance feature, IF it does anything at all.
Um... no, player tactics are *not* set in the AI. The TEAM'S tactics are set in the AI.

But I'm not saying owners should be able to control a player's tactics anyway. Heck, I'm not even saying owners should automatically be able to even see them. I'm saying players should be given a choice that they don't currently have: the ability to make their tactics visible to their team owner if they choose to do so.

Originally posted by F8n4tune
And since the build is more important anyway...
Build is more important, though tactics are important too. But the point I'm trying to make is that there are people who oppose being given this choice for Tactics but who have no problem with already having this choice for their Builds. And in my mind, that's like letting people see your junk but not wanting them to see your shoulder. At least the people who want EVERYTHING to be forced closed are being consistent, but not everyone who is -1'ing this are thinking that through.

Originally posted by F8n4tune
Bort may as well just remove the sliders and let the GM's do everything for us and we just build/boost the dots.
I seriously don't get this mindset. If this Suggestion passes, you'll have more control over your dot, not less. You'll have the ability to do something that you can't currently do: make your tactics visible to your team owner. That's something I want to be able to do with my own dots right now -- but I can't.

Originally posted by F8n4tune
I can think of a few people who I suspect have voted 2 or 3 times. We all know a bunch of the votes are multis on both sides, unless you're new around here.
The same could be said of EVERY Suggestion on here, including every Suggestion you've ever been in favor of. So, I'm really not sure how that's relevant, unless you're going to go re-post this in every other Suggestions thread too.

+1 have wanted this for awhile...

what? how would multi's screw over other teams then?

can't play on relaxed any more??? bleh blasphemy!

+1'ers just don't get it.

And neither do I it seems. What is the point of me or any agent building a dot without any autonomy over it ? We all know what will happen when/if this gets implemented , the game has enough issues with lack of players as it is. This is just yet another window of opportunity to waste one season of someone else's money imo. The game needs the agent who isn't already playing with the same people over and over if that makes sense ?

This is all good written down but based on the principle of the game being driven by anothers monies it has disaster in so many ways waiting on the horizon IMO. I don't really care for myself but I do care for the money that comes in that will keep this game alive. Hell i'm one of those people that usually plays with the same teams over and over so I don't care , I do what I do and can be trusted as such. Hell i've had the money reigns on teams of people that didn't know me back when money meant something. But some new guy comes in and see's what he's paying to play this game , yet literally doesn't actually get to play it as far as his ownership of his dot and you're just asking for trouble.

You're job as an owner/GM is to work with what you got , if you don't like it look for something else , if you don't trust em cut em. It's not your job to direct every single thing the agent is doing when he has nothing to do as it is to make your job easier.

You guys are really limiting game play even more IMO. there's isn't hardly anything left to be attractive enough for someone to build/boost a dot for 72 levels as it is. Hope any part of this makes sense to Bort/DD ? You are continually crushing any avenue to add new blood to this game and you guys know the numbers better than anyone else. Me and others only suspect them.

Originally posted by Novus
Alrighty, F8n4tune, your grasp of grammar and punctuation is... well... iffy. So I'm going to fix your posts (seriously, no sarcasm), and then respond to them.


C'mon man you're better than that. I've got no time for the grammer on a message board.

Nobody in this game ever looks at the other side , it's always me me me. But the first argument to come up is "it's supposed to be a team game".......................lol

Originally posted by F8n4tune
Originally posted by Novus

Alrighty, F8n4tune, your grasp of grammar and punctuation is... well... iffy. So I'm going to fix your posts (seriously, no sarcasm), and then respond to them.


C'mon man you're better than that. I've got no time for the grammer on a message board.


I wasn't trying to be the grammar police... I was trying to understand what you were saying, and your poor grammar made it difficult for me to do so.

If this was Free For All, I wouldn't care less about your grammar. But you're trying to communicate ideas and sway opinions. The least you can do is make it easier for others to understand what your ideas and opinions actually are, not take shortcuts that make it easier for you to type but harder for others to understand you.

You're better than that.

Originally posted by F8n4tune
Nobody in this game ever looks at the other side , it's always me me me. But the first argument to come up is "it's supposed to be a team game".......................lol

Here's another side to look at...maybe teams would be willing to sign more of those "new" players/agents if they didn't have to rely on trusting them and could SEE what the tactics were set at. How's that for another side...??

Originally posted by Novus

I wasn't trying to be the grammar police... I was trying to understand what you were saying, and your poor grammar made it difficult for me to do so.

If this was Free For All, I wouldn't care less about your grammar. But you're trying to communicate ideas and sway opinions. The least you can do is make it easier for others to understand what your ideas and opinions actually are, not take shortcuts that make it easier for you to type but harder for others to understand you.

You're better than that.

Touche seriously though I don't care but this is a slippery slope for a game that's already drying up IMO. Kind of makes me sad thinking that somewhere down the line i'll eventually only be playing with the same people doing the same things.

Originally posted by F8n4tune
+1'ers just don't get it.

And neither do I it seems. What is the point of me or any agent building a dot without any autonomy over it ? We all know what will happen when/if this gets implemented , the game has enough issues with lack of players as it is. This is just yet another window of opportunity to waste one season of someone else's money imo. The game needs the agent who isn't already playing with the same people over and over if that makes sense ?

This is all good written down but based on the principle of the game being driven by anothers monies it has disaster in so many ways waiting on the horizon IMO. I don't really care for myself but I do care for the money that comes in that will keep this game alive. Hell i'm one of those people that usually plays with the same teams over and over so I don't care , I do what I do and can be trusted as such. Hell i've had the money reigns on teams of people that didn't know me back when money meant something. But some new guy comes in and see's what he's paying to play this game , yet literally doesn't actually get to play it as far as his ownership of his dot and you're just asking for trouble.

You're job as an owner/GM is to work with what you got , if you don't like it look for something else , if you don't trust em cut em. It's not your job to direct every single thing the agent is doing when he has nothing to do as it is to make your job easier.

You guys are really limiting game play even more IMO. there's isn't hardly anything left to be attractive enough for someone to build/boost a dot for 72 levels as it is. Hope any part of this makes sense to Bort/DD ? You are continually crushing any avenue to add new blood to this game and you guys know the numbers better than anyone else. Me and others only suspect them.


no, this dude just doesn't get it.

showing tactics doesn't take away autonomy any more than showing builds does.
the team still wouldn't control it, just be able to see it like u can w/ builds,
and even then only they choose to.

i think it would help a lot of players-
for example i have had guys who covered awful or couldnt tackle,
and i would ask if their low tackle CB was still on normal tackle, or their cov distannce was set over 0,
and many times it was and they didnt realize it cuz they had forgotten to change it or not really understood it etc.
so this would probably prevent more ppl from getting cut than anything, cuz they would get advice better.
and they still wouldnt necessariy have to take it. here are TONS of teams and INFINITE strategy,
so there is going to be someone who wants that player for what he does.