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He said bologna.
Heh.
Phony at that.
He said bologna.
Heh.
Phony at that.
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Originally posted by The Strategy Expert
Wow, you guys claiming that money has given us a special advantage for us just makes my head explode. But that's besides the point even IF it were TRUE that we had a special advantage with it, the money we have was earned in the game in a fair and sporting way. But again, it STILL is not even remotely relevant to being an advantage to compare with the unsporting ways of Hazy and those that play like him.
There's no point in even trying try break down the argument because it's such a ridiculous statement. You guys can flame on with the silly attacks and the illogical counterpoints, but I'm not going to respond further to anybody unless they have some actual legitimate posts of merit for this thread that are on point to what is being discussed and not filled with such phony bologna.
Good owners win championships with the bankroll you have.
Therefore....
Wow, you guys claiming that money has given us a special advantage for us just makes my head explode. But that's besides the point even IF it were TRUE that we had a special advantage with it, the money we have was earned in the game in a fair and sporting way. But again, it STILL is not even remotely relevant to being an advantage to compare with the unsporting ways of Hazy and those that play like him.
There's no point in even trying try break down the argument because it's such a ridiculous statement. You guys can flame on with the silly attacks and the illogical counterpoints, but I'm not going to respond further to anybody unless they have some actual legitimate posts of merit for this thread that are on point to what is being discussed and not filled with such phony bologna.
Good owners win championships with the bankroll you have.
Therefore....
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Originally posted by murgy
Originally posted by The Strategy Expert
Wow, you guys claiming that money has given us a special advantage for us just makes my head explode. But that's besides the point even IF it were TRUE that we had a special advantage with it, the money we have was earned in the game in a fair and sporting way. But again, it STILL is not even remotely relevant to being an advantage to compare with the unsporting ways of Hazy and those that play like him.
There's no point in even trying try break down the argument because it's such a ridiculous statement. You guys can flame on with the silly attacks and the illogical counterpoints, but I'm not going to respond further to anybody unless they have some actual legitimate posts of merit for this thread that are on point to what is being discussed and not filled with such phony bologna.
Good owners win championships with the bankroll you have.
Therefore....
LOL
Here's a strange little stat for you guys
In 6 seasons in USA PRO, DDL has won 3 play off games total. The Evil Monkeys have only been here for 3 and we already have 5 playoff wins.
Just saying
Originally posted by The Strategy Expert
Wow, you guys claiming that money has given us a special advantage for us just makes my head explode. But that's besides the point even IF it were TRUE that we had a special advantage with it, the money we have was earned in the game in a fair and sporting way. But again, it STILL is not even remotely relevant to being an advantage to compare with the unsporting ways of Hazy and those that play like him.
There's no point in even trying try break down the argument because it's such a ridiculous statement. You guys can flame on with the silly attacks and the illogical counterpoints, but I'm not going to respond further to anybody unless they have some actual legitimate posts of merit for this thread that are on point to what is being discussed and not filled with such phony bologna.
Good owners win championships with the bankroll you have.
Therefore....
LOL
Here's a strange little stat for you guys
In 6 seasons in USA PRO, DDL has won 3 play off games total. The Evil Monkeys have only been here for 3 and we already have 5 playoff wins.
Just saying
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Originally posted by coachviking
Originally posted by murgy
Originally posted by The Strategy Expert
Wow, you guys claiming that money has given us a special advantage for us just makes my head explode. But that's besides the point even IF it were TRUE that we had a special advantage with it, the money we have was earned in the game in a fair and sporting way. But again, it STILL is not even remotely relevant to being an advantage to compare with the unsporting ways of Hazy and those that play like him.
There's no point in even trying try break down the argument because it's such a ridiculous statement. You guys can flame on with the silly attacks and the illogical counterpoints, but I'm not going to respond further to anybody unless they have some actual legitimate posts of merit for this thread that are on point to what is being discussed and not filled with such phony bologna.
Good owners win championships with the bankroll you have.
Therefore....
LOL
Here's a strange little stat for you guys
In 6 seasons in USA PRO, DDL has won 3 play off games total. The Evil Monkeys have only been here for 3 and we already have 5 playoff wins.
Just saying
Lose when it counts though.
Ah crap, what am I saying...so did we.
Originally posted by murgy
Originally posted by The Strategy Expert
Wow, you guys claiming that money has given us a special advantage for us just makes my head explode. But that's besides the point even IF it were TRUE that we had a special advantage with it, the money we have was earned in the game in a fair and sporting way. But again, it STILL is not even remotely relevant to being an advantage to compare with the unsporting ways of Hazy and those that play like him.
There's no point in even trying try break down the argument because it's such a ridiculous statement. You guys can flame on with the silly attacks and the illogical counterpoints, but I'm not going to respond further to anybody unless they have some actual legitimate posts of merit for this thread that are on point to what is being discussed and not filled with such phony bologna.
Good owners win championships with the bankroll you have.
Therefore....
LOL
Here's a strange little stat for you guys
In 6 seasons in USA PRO, DDL has won 3 play off games total. The Evil Monkeys have only been here for 3 and we already have 5 playoff wins.
Just saying
Lose when it counts though.
Ah crap, what am I saying...so did we.
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What it amounts too is every one of us has a view of what is ethical and "sporting." Personally, I think it's wrong to run 90% or more. Then again, I typically run around 70%. I can live with that number, but just because it seems to be the upper edge of what I feel is right. Pls don't take this personal Hazy, but, in my mind, the way you use your QB in the TE slot to make sure you have a running QB in when you call runs is an exploit. That said, I see nothing wrong with putting a blocking TE in at TE1 and a pass WRing TE in at TE2. Hell, I tried an OT as a run blocking TE in my scrim, just to see if it would work for the POs and would have been fine in using it, if it had worked better. To me, gaining a $$$$$$ advantage by day trading players or selling advice is A) a hell of an advantage and B) not sporting. Then again, I had no issues with signing a few of my guys, with the sole purpose of trading them for cash to try to help cover LVL 48 EQ.
My point is that we all have ideas of what is an exploit and the way the game should be played, and I'm going to bet that each one is at least slightly different. Flat out, none of us are right or wrong. As long as the system Bort has designed allows it to happen, you can bet that someone will do it. Is it wrong? Maybe, but the odds are extremely high that someone out there truly belives something "you" are doing is wrong also...And, to at least a certain extent, we’re all hypocrites if we point out what someone else is doing wrong. I know I've been guilty of that when I have done it myself.
My point is that we all have ideas of what is an exploit and the way the game should be played, and I'm going to bet that each one is at least slightly different. Flat out, none of us are right or wrong. As long as the system Bort has designed allows it to happen, you can bet that someone will do it. Is it wrong? Maybe, but the odds are extremely high that someone out there truly belives something "you" are doing is wrong also...And, to at least a certain extent, we’re all hypocrites if we point out what someone else is doing wrong. I know I've been guilty of that when I have done it myself.
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Well if they had a QB1/QB2 depth chart like they do for every other skill position, I wouldn't have to do that. I'd much rather have a blocking TE there than the QB. I'm not disagreeing with you - it probably is an exploit, but it's the only way I can get it to work the way I want it to. Although since we run 85% of the time any way, I could just put Copeland at starter and be fine with it since he'll ever hardly throw - hell that'd open up the 5 WR rollout plays if I did that. Honestly the only reason I HAVEN'T done that already is because I don't want to piss off our current starting QB who has been with me since season 1 and has been loyal to my team.
On a serious note, I've been contemplating how to approach this next game. I KNOW our best chance of beating Green Bay is to run every down but I'm having a hard time bringing myself to do that, even if we did do it 85% of the time today, we did at least pass SOME. The thing is, we've never used the Strong I Slam more than 50% of the time as we have other running plays in our arsenal (like the QB rollouts) but we've definitely been a very run heavy team... but our OL was built to be run blockers. The mistake I made in season 7 was I went away from what had worked for us for 5 seasons and tried to pass the ball and we got ate up. Once I re-shifted every ones equipment back to run blocking focus and we dedicated to the run more, it's made all the difference.
So do I do whatever it takes to win, or do I do what others consider to be sporting and ethical? It's quite the dilemma. Maybe I'll put it up to my team for a vote and do whatever they decide is best.
On a serious note, I've been contemplating how to approach this next game. I KNOW our best chance of beating Green Bay is to run every down but I'm having a hard time bringing myself to do that, even if we did do it 85% of the time today, we did at least pass SOME. The thing is, we've never used the Strong I Slam more than 50% of the time as we have other running plays in our arsenal (like the QB rollouts) but we've definitely been a very run heavy team... but our OL was built to be run blockers. The mistake I made in season 7 was I went away from what had worked for us for 5 seasons and tried to pass the ball and we got ate up. Once I re-shifted every ones equipment back to run blocking focus and we dedicated to the run more, it's made all the difference.
So do I do whatever it takes to win, or do I do what others consider to be sporting and ethical? It's quite the dilemma. Maybe I'll put it up to my team for a vote and do whatever they decide is best.
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Hazy, I am sure you saw what I was doing there by pointing out my own way of being a hypocrite in every one of those statements, but I'll play it extra safe and point it out anyway. It was a dig at myself, not at you or anyone else.
What you do is entirely up to you, and I mean that sincerely. You won't hear me bitching no matter what that turns out to be (though you'd gain a lvl of respect from me if you did go with the DTs as WRs and pass every down, as well as the 3-1-7 cover 3 deep zone
). You sure weren't really asking for my advice and don't need it, but I'd suggest you just doing whatever you feel is acceptable, not what others think is.
What you do is entirely up to you, and I mean that sincerely. You won't hear me bitching no matter what that turns out to be (though you'd gain a lvl of respect from me if you did go with the DTs as WRs and pass every down, as well as the 3-1-7 cover 3 deep zone
). You sure weren't really asking for my advice and don't need it, but I'd suggest you just doing whatever you feel is acceptable, not what others think is.The Strategy Expert
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Also it should be noted for the record that I never day traded players like some other teams did. Just sayin' cause some people weren't paying attention to what was going on in Season 1. I agree day trading is a load of crap and a cheap way to build your money, the way DDL earned it's money was in a respectable fashion.
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The day trading wasn't aimed at you, TSE, only the selling part. As was the case with Hazy, I was really digging at myself, not you or anyone else.
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Oh I wasn't suggesting as much, you just made a general comment on the issue. I was just making sure that issue was clear for those that aren't familiar with the details from that season.
In terms of selling strategies for the money, well I disagree with that, because the team I own in this game is a business, and as a business it is totally within my businesse's rights to sell consulting related services in trade to other teams, that seemed like a totally obvious thing to myself and to this day I have never understood the argument against it, because nobody has every made any kind of a sensible argument why that should be frowned upon by any stretch, and prior to doing so I even asked Bort to chime in with his assessment on the topic as well just cause I valued his opinion on the subject, and he overtly encouraged me to go ahead market those consulting services to other teams,(because the only way to transact such a deal was to use CPU dummies to exchange the cash)and he said absolutely, if you can find a way to market goods and services for in-game cash, then by all means go for it.
In terms of selling strategies for the money, well I disagree with that, because the team I own in this game is a business, and as a business it is totally within my businesse's rights to sell consulting related services in trade to other teams, that seemed like a totally obvious thing to myself and to this day I have never understood the argument against it, because nobody has every made any kind of a sensible argument why that should be frowned upon by any stretch, and prior to doing so I even asked Bort to chime in with his assessment on the topic as well just cause I valued his opinion on the subject, and he overtly encouraged me to go ahead market those consulting services to other teams,(because the only way to transact such a deal was to use CPU dummies to exchange the cash)and he said absolutely, if you can find a way to market goods and services for in-game cash, then by all means go for it.
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Originally posted by The Strategy Expert
Oh I wasn't suggesting as much, you just made a general comment on the issue. I was just making sure that issue was clear for those that aren't familiar with the details from that season.In terms of selling strategies for the money, well I disagree with that, because the team I own in this game is a business, and as a business it is totally within my businesse's rights to sell consulting related services in trade to other teams, that seemed like a totally obvious thing to myself and to this day I have never understood the argument against it, because nobody has every made any kind of a sensible argument why that should be frowned upon by any stretch, and prior to doing so I even asked Bort to chime in with his assessment on the topic as well just cause I valued his opinion on the subject, and he overtly encouraged me to go ahead market those consulting services to other teams,(because the only way to transact such a deal was to use CPU dummies to exchange the cash)and he said absolutely, if you can find a way to market goods and services for in-game cash, then by all means go for it.
It doesnt matter how much you did or didn't exploit, you still dont win playoff games.
Oh I wasn't suggesting as much, you just made a general comment on the issue. I was just making sure that issue was clear for those that aren't familiar with the details from that season.In terms of selling strategies for the money, well I disagree with that, because the team I own in this game is a business, and as a business it is totally within my businesse's rights to sell consulting related services in trade to other teams, that seemed like a totally obvious thing to myself and to this day I have never understood the argument against it, because nobody has every made any kind of a sensible argument why that should be frowned upon by any stretch, and prior to doing so I even asked Bort to chime in with his assessment on the topic as well just cause I valued his opinion on the subject, and he overtly encouraged me to go ahead market those consulting services to other teams,(because the only way to transact such a deal was to use CPU dummies to exchange the cash)and he said absolutely, if you can find a way to market goods and services for in-game cash, then by all means go for it.
It doesnt matter how much you did or didn't exploit, you still dont win playoff games.
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Originally posted by The Strategy Expert
I would be more than able to respect your game and call you "sporting" if you had made other choices in how you approach the game, and again more power to you for liking your style of play and being content with that, but in my opinion it's just not sporting the way that you chose to play the game.
Originally posted by The Strategy Expert
I just think you play an unsportsmanlike game and play a chicken-shit game, that's all. How you want to interpret that is up to you, but that's my honest opinion, not a statement of fact or a piece of evidence
Originally posted by The Strategy Expert
Because my objective is not to win at any cost. I don't want a championship trophy in this game if I have to sacrifice things that are more important to what I view as an honorable approach to the spirit of the game. I want to win a trophy while upholding the highest of standards possible for honor, integrity, and sportsmanship, and I don't want to win a trophy by having to compromise those values, that categorically is a PERSONAL choice that I have made thus far, NOT a STRATEGY choice.
Originally posted by The Strategy Expert
Wow, you guys claiming that money has given us a special advantage for us just makes my head explode. But that's besides the point even IF it were TRUE that we had a special advantage with it, the money we have was earned in the game in a fair and sporting way. But again, it STILL is not even remotely relevant to being an advantage to compare with the unsporting ways of Hazy and those that play like him.
Originally posted by The Strategy Expert
In terms of selling strategies for the money, well I disagree with that, because the team I own in this game is a business, and as a business it is totally within my businesse's rights to sell consulting related services in trade to other teams, that seemed like a totally obvious thing to myself and to this day I have never understood the argument against it, because nobody has every made any kind of a sensible argument why that should be frowned upon by any stretch
You would rather lose with an NFL sized roster than win with a larger one? Really? BS! Posting this after you lose makes you look like a very sore loser, surely you can see that. Of course, that is my OPINION and since I can't back it up with fact I will move on to the next point.
Your OPINION is that the Gamblers played a chicken shit game that was unsportsmanlike.
My OPINION is that you used a chicken shit loophole to gain $ that was unsportsmanlike.
I can't provide a sensible argument why what you did should be frowned on. That is because my opinion is based on MY standards. Since season 3, I have just accepted that GLB is what it is, and teams are going to do things I don't agree with to win.
So in your mind, what you did was fine, what Hazy did wasn't. For me it is the opposite.
Here is the difference. I am not in the League forum saying you played the game in a chicken shit way (harsh language toward an owner I suppose you had no previous problem with). I am not having this conversation after losing to you in the playoffs.
You choosing to have this disussion in this way, at this time, comes across one of three ways:
1. You are full of shit and are making excuses, and would play the same way if you could.
2. You are a hypocrite and are willing to do SOME things that might be considered unsportsmanlike but not others.
3. You believe everything you posted (based on your own personal standards) and you just don't have a clue that the way you did it you are come across as one of the whiny tools complaining about StrI or one of the million other things there are to complain about with GLB.
I would be more than able to respect your game and call you "sporting" if you had made other choices in how you approach the game, and again more power to you for liking your style of play and being content with that, but in my opinion it's just not sporting the way that you chose to play the game.
Originally posted by The Strategy Expert
I just think you play an unsportsmanlike game and play a chicken-shit game, that's all. How you want to interpret that is up to you, but that's my honest opinion, not a statement of fact or a piece of evidence
Originally posted by The Strategy Expert
Because my objective is not to win at any cost. I don't want a championship trophy in this game if I have to sacrifice things that are more important to what I view as an honorable approach to the spirit of the game. I want to win a trophy while upholding the highest of standards possible for honor, integrity, and sportsmanship, and I don't want to win a trophy by having to compromise those values, that categorically is a PERSONAL choice that I have made thus far, NOT a STRATEGY choice.
Originally posted by The Strategy Expert
Wow, you guys claiming that money has given us a special advantage for us just makes my head explode. But that's besides the point even IF it were TRUE that we had a special advantage with it, the money we have was earned in the game in a fair and sporting way. But again, it STILL is not even remotely relevant to being an advantage to compare with the unsporting ways of Hazy and those that play like him.
Originally posted by The Strategy Expert
In terms of selling strategies for the money, well I disagree with that, because the team I own in this game is a business, and as a business it is totally within my businesse's rights to sell consulting related services in trade to other teams, that seemed like a totally obvious thing to myself and to this day I have never understood the argument against it, because nobody has every made any kind of a sensible argument why that should be frowned upon by any stretch
You would rather lose with an NFL sized roster than win with a larger one? Really? BS! Posting this after you lose makes you look like a very sore loser, surely you can see that. Of course, that is my OPINION and since I can't back it up with fact I will move on to the next point.
Your OPINION is that the Gamblers played a chicken shit game that was unsportsmanlike.
My OPINION is that you used a chicken shit loophole to gain $ that was unsportsmanlike.
I can't provide a sensible argument why what you did should be frowned on. That is because my opinion is based on MY standards. Since season 3, I have just accepted that GLB is what it is, and teams are going to do things I don't agree with to win.
So in your mind, what you did was fine, what Hazy did wasn't. For me it is the opposite.
Here is the difference. I am not in the League forum saying you played the game in a chicken shit way (harsh language toward an owner I suppose you had no previous problem with). I am not having this conversation after losing to you in the playoffs.
You choosing to have this disussion in this way, at this time, comes across one of three ways:
1. You are full of shit and are making excuses, and would play the same way if you could.
2. You are a hypocrite and are willing to do SOME things that might be considered unsportsmanlike but not others.
3. You believe everything you posted (based on your own personal standards) and you just don't have a clue that the way you did it you are come across as one of the whiny tools complaining about StrI or one of the million other things there are to complain about with GLB.
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Originally posted by murgy
It doesnt matter how much you did or didn't exploit, you still dont win playoff games.
Yeah pretty bizarre, you would think with all of the "brilliant" arguments about the money advantage I have that it would be an auto-win. LOL
It doesnt matter how much you did or didn't exploit, you still dont win playoff games.
Yeah pretty bizarre, you would think with all of the "brilliant" arguments about the money advantage I have that it would be an auto-win. LOL
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The reason I don't buy flex points and keep my time here limited is all over this thread.
Some people win/lose and don't care how they do.
Some people win/lose and do care.
Bummer.
Good games to everyone in the playoffs. I only wish this was more a football sim than a footrun sim.
Some people win/lose and don't care how they do.
Some people win/lose and do care.
Bummer.
Good games to everyone in the playoffs. I only wish this was more a football sim than a footrun sim.
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I have posted this many times this season. Here it is again in order of enjoyment:
Win in a fun way
Win in a non fun way
Lose
In season 8 if you are shooting for #1, you are risking #3. Ya it sucks...not much I can do about it though is there?
Win in a fun way
Win in a non fun way
Lose
In season 8 if you are shooting for #1, you are risking #3. Ya it sucks...not much I can do about it though is there?
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