Isn't this just gutting with a different name?
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drazz00
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See, bigt, players DON'T have the right to move.
you sign a contract, you live it through. It's not where you want to be, you can ask for a trade, a new contract, or a realease. But, there is still a contract. Its is only as a TEAM OWNER that you hav control. And frankel abused that for the benefit of his players over his team.
you sign a contract, you live it through. It's not where you want to be, you can ask for a trade, a new contract, or a realease. But, there is still a contract. Its is only as a TEAM OWNER that you hav control. And frankel abused that for the benefit of his players over his team.
bigtisme
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ok if you feel owners shouldn't be able to release players then go add that to the "gutting collusion" announcement.
Sam Bolster
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I really don't think the team was gutted to be exact. 6 players? AND he still has players to back them up. Not gutting at all.
mofugga
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come on. You guys are just either being:
a) naive
b) stubborn
What he did was totally screw a team out of any shred of hope, and gave another team supreme talent, at virtually NO cost to them. You guys really need to get off of this "whatever happens, happens. Its all part of the game and if DD and Bort don't specifically say something about it, then its ok!" stool that you are sitting on.
Look at the backups sam, look at the backups. Those backups weren't even an attempt to salvage the team after it had been partially gutted. level 6? free agents of higher level want to join any team they can. No effort was put back into the gangsters to save them.
Open your minds - sure frankel was an alpha tester with us. but what he did was just plain wrong, it's not at all good for the game. Just because laws are set up as they are, doesn't mean those laws cover for everything that is good and everything that is bad. This is what pisses me off most about some of you guys - you can't seem to have a well known entity around here face the music of a shady move, and you don't even seem to acknowledge it as wrong.
Reread drazz's post, bigt. He's not saying you can't release players, he is referencing the fact that lfrankel used that power that ONLY an owner has to exploit his team in favor of another team. Now, his team is burnt and bad - what about this totally one-sided ordeal is good for the game? honestly, open your eyes.
a) naive
b) stubborn
What he did was totally screw a team out of any shred of hope, and gave another team supreme talent, at virtually NO cost to them. You guys really need to get off of this "whatever happens, happens. Its all part of the game and if DD and Bort don't specifically say something about it, then its ok!" stool that you are sitting on.
Look at the backups sam, look at the backups. Those backups weren't even an attempt to salvage the team after it had been partially gutted. level 6? free agents of higher level want to join any team they can. No effort was put back into the gangsters to save them.
Open your minds - sure frankel was an alpha tester with us. but what he did was just plain wrong, it's not at all good for the game. Just because laws are set up as they are, doesn't mean those laws cover for everything that is good and everything that is bad. This is what pisses me off most about some of you guys - you can't seem to have a well known entity around here face the music of a shady move, and you don't even seem to acknowledge it as wrong.
Reread drazz's post, bigt. He's not saying you can't release players, he is referencing the fact that lfrankel used that power that ONLY an owner has to exploit his team in favor of another team. Now, his team is burnt and bad - what about this totally one-sided ordeal is good for the game? honestly, open your eyes.
bigtisme
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You guys have to come up with a solution...calling people stupid or whatever you want to do is fine. Come crying because of whatever happens doesn't do any good either. Go post in the gutting collusion thread what you want to be done. Heck post your great wonderful solution right here if you want to. Im listening but i still dont think you'll be able to stop people from moving their own players where they want without saying you can't release players.
Sam Bolster
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its not like the gangsters did anything with those level 18 players. I would give those backups a try. I guess I see where your coming but let's just not make this one as public as "Tim Harpers".
knightdemon
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Originally posted by mofugga
come on. You guys are just either being:
a) naive
b) stubborn
What he did was totally screw a team out of any shred of hope, and gave another team supreme talent, at virtually NO cost to them. You guys really need to get off of this "whatever happens, happens. Its all part of the game and if DD and Bort don't specifically say something about it, then its ok!" stool that you are sitting on.
Look at the backups sam, look at the backups. Those backups weren't even an attempt to salvage the team after it had been partially gutted. level 6? free agents of higher level want to join any team they can. No effort was put back into the gangsters to save them.
Open your minds - sure frankel was an alpha tester with us. but what he did was just plain wrong, it's not at all good for the game. Just because laws are set up as they are, doesn't mean those laws cover for everything that is good and everything that is bad. This is what pisses me off most about some of you guys - you can't seem to have a well known entity around here face the music of a shady move, and you don't even seem to acknowledge it as wrong.
Reread drazz's post, bigt. He's not saying you can't release players, he is referencing the fact that lfrankel used that power that ONLY an owner has to exploit his team in favor of another team. Now, his team is burnt and bad - what about this totally one-sided ordeal is good for the game? honestly, open your eyes.
well said man...it is a shame
come on. You guys are just either being:
a) naive
b) stubborn
What he did was totally screw a team out of any shred of hope, and gave another team supreme talent, at virtually NO cost to them. You guys really need to get off of this "whatever happens, happens. Its all part of the game and if DD and Bort don't specifically say something about it, then its ok!" stool that you are sitting on.
Look at the backups sam, look at the backups. Those backups weren't even an attempt to salvage the team after it had been partially gutted. level 6? free agents of higher level want to join any team they can. No effort was put back into the gangsters to save them.
Open your minds - sure frankel was an alpha tester with us. but what he did was just plain wrong, it's not at all good for the game. Just because laws are set up as they are, doesn't mean those laws cover for everything that is good and everything that is bad. This is what pisses me off most about some of you guys - you can't seem to have a well known entity around here face the music of a shady move, and you don't even seem to acknowledge it as wrong.
Reread drazz's post, bigt. He's not saying you can't release players, he is referencing the fact that lfrankel used that power that ONLY an owner has to exploit his team in favor of another team. Now, his team is burnt and bad - what about this totally one-sided ordeal is good for the game? honestly, open your eyes.
well said man...it is a shame
knightdemon
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Originally posted by bolstersam
its not like the gangsters did anything with those level 18 players. I would give those backups a try. I guess I see where your coming but let's just not make this one as public as "Tim Harpers".
He lost 3 games by 3 points Sam and 1 by 4...those games could have been either way and he just happened to always be on the wrong side of them. If those results would have went the other way we wouldn't be discussing this right now.
I'll quit this game if those level 6 and 8 O-Linemans they have now outperform level 18's..give me a break man
its not like the gangsters did anything with those level 18 players. I would give those backups a try. I guess I see where your coming but let's just not make this one as public as "Tim Harpers".
He lost 3 games by 3 points Sam and 1 by 4...those games could have been either way and he just happened to always be on the wrong side of them. If those results would have went the other way we wouldn't be discussing this right now.
I'll quit this game if those level 6 and 8 O-Linemans they have now outperform level 18's..give me a break man
Last edited May 10, 2008 17:50:16
mofugga
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solution? Here:
If something like this happens that is so obviously lopsided and ridiculous, veto it.
We coulda had frankel go out and get some GMs, so many people are looking to be a GM right now that spend plenty of time on this website. That would have solved the "i dont have time to run a team" problem, but that obviously wasn't the real issue.
saying that this is wrong in this thread is doing a lot more to help than being ignorant of it is by the way.
If something like this happens that is so obviously lopsided and ridiculous, veto it.
We coulda had frankel go out and get some GMs, so many people are looking to be a GM right now that spend plenty of time on this website. That would have solved the "i dont have time to run a team" problem, but that obviously wasn't the real issue.
saying that this is wrong in this thread is doing a lot more to help than being ignorant of it is by the way.
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Wow shouldn't the Gangsters team at least been compensated so the players remaining on that team don't feel like they're heading into the gutter? I'm surprised this is still allowed..............the whole "alpha testers get special treatment" and "USA Pro elitism" threads are only going to get worse now....:-(
D-will
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Originally posted by PS3
Wow shouldn't the Gangsters team at least been compensated so the players remaining on that team don't feel like they're heading into the gutter? I'm surprised this is still allowed..............the whole "alpha testers get special treatment" and "USA Pro elitism" threads are only going to get worse now....:-(
I guess i would like everybody to do that starting now or at least get the team back to a comparible pro level...it cant happen with this team since i have already udjusted my lineup and traded away some backup o linemen now though...
Wow shouldn't the Gangsters team at least been compensated so the players remaining on that team don't feel like they're heading into the gutter? I'm surprised this is still allowed..............the whole "alpha testers get special treatment" and "USA Pro elitism" threads are only going to get worse now....:-(
I guess i would like everybody to do that starting now or at least get the team back to a comparible pro level...it cant happen with this team since i have already udjusted my lineup and traded away some backup o linemen now though...
bigtisme
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so a comittee to oversee every transaction made by the team. Im seriously wondering what your solution is mofugga...
Last edited May 10, 2008 18:51:18
Sam Bolster
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Originally posted by knightdemon
Originally posted by bolstersam
its not like the gangsters did anything with those level 18 players. I would give those backups a try. I guess I see where your coming but let's just not make this one as public as "Tim Harpers".
He lost 3 games by 3 points Sam and 1 by 4...those games could have been either way and he just happened to always be on the wrong side of them. If those results would have went the other way we wouldn't be discussing this right now.
I'll quit this game if those level 6 and 8 O-Linemans they have now outperform level 18's..give me a break man
It was a joke man
Originally posted by bolstersam
its not like the gangsters did anything with those level 18 players. I would give those backups a try. I guess I see where your coming but let's just not make this one as public as "Tim Harpers".
He lost 3 games by 3 points Sam and 1 by 4...those games could have been either way and he just happened to always be on the wrong side of them. If those results would have went the other way we wouldn't be discussing this right now.
I'll quit this game if those level 6 and 8 O-Linemans they have now outperform level 18's..give me a break man
It was a joke man
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