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Originally posted by god056
sigh

I have a balanced TE, and I'm not regretting it. I'm actually proud of it in a way. I have seen it perform as a blocker in run plays and a receiver in pass plays, in one game.

I'm not a bandwagon person so I don't really rant about my TE not being a receiving one. I wanted him to be the emergency go to man, and so far he's doing what I wanted him to do.

I can see where you're coming from, since my TE is also balanced and I've been fairly happy with his performance on both sides. But the simple fact is that there's no real reason for there to be a balanced TE anymore.

Hopefully the defense will get some method of reacting to the playcalling by the offense. Should that happen, a balanced TE might be useful again just because they wouldn't give away the play quite so much as calling what essentially boils down to a WR or OT into the TE slot.

Ah, yes. We can't really help it. I think it boils down to team owners having the ability to utilize the players in their roster. And I still think that having a balanced TE is still an option.

If we think about it, having a player that blocks and receive in both ways, would make the D guess.
I just wonder how my TE would perform for D. He was in some seasons back, but it was too few to see the actual performance.

Originally posted by Maddoc
Originally posted by god056

sigh

I have a balanced TE, and I'm not regretting it. I'm actually proud of it in a way. I have seen it perform as a blocker in run plays and a receiver in pass plays, in one game.

I'm not a bandwagon person so I don't really rant about my TE not being a receiving one. I wanted him to be the emergency go to man, and so far he's doing what I wanted him to do.

I can see where you're coming from, since my TE is also balanced and I've been fairly happy with his performance on both sides. But the simple fact is that there's no real reason for there to be a balanced TE anymore.

Hopefully the defense will get some method of reacting to the playcalling by the offense. Should that happen, a balanced TE might be useful again just because they wouldn't give away the play quite so much as calling what essentially boils down to a WR or OT into the TE slot.

Balanced TEs are also great for teams that are more shallow depth wise either by design or because of recruiting problems. A good balanced TE with a solid FB backing him up means only having to sign one guy rather than two. I do agree with the OP that some sort of defensive tactic should be available to DCs who want to match certain personnel up against TE1 and different personnel altogether to cover TE2.

Originally posted by hoyaboy1
Originally posted by Homsar16

Originally posted by Adderfist


You're right. They have 16 blocking or catching. Our bad.

I'm really sorry that the people on your teams don't know how to build.

Why would a receiving TE want to have blocking, and why would the blocking TE want to have catching? Wasted points under the current setup.

Why would a player that builds a TE want to only block? Why would a TE want to be a shitty blocker? If you're making the position, you should want to do both. I'm sure there are guys that play TE to get cheap WRs and just run routes, but any decent owner isn't going to sign a player that's built like that, imo. I never did.

Originally posted by Iceman16
Originally posted by hoyaboy1

Originally posted by Homsar16


Originally posted by Adderfist



You're right. They have 16 blocking or catching. Our bad.

I'm really sorry that the people on your teams don't know how to build.

Why would a receiving TE want to have blocking, and why would the blocking TE want to have catching? Wasted points under the current setup.

Why would a player that builds a TE want to only block? Why would a TE want to be a shitty blocker? If you're making the position, you should want to do both. I'm sure there are guys that play TE to get cheap WRs and just run routes, but any decent owner isn't going to sign a player that's built like that, imo. I never did.

With two specific spots it's better to have highly dedicated builds. A TE doesn't necessarily need to be a shitty blocker if he's built solely for that role. And a TE built like a discount WR used to be bad, but now you can just call in the blocking TE on any play that you'd need the TE blocking anyways.

Basically, look at it this way.

You can have a TE that's 50% Blocking, 50% Receiving.

But he's going to be worse at receiving than the discount WR, and worse at blocking than the overpriced OT. The fact that he can potentially run both plays is meaningless because if the AI is set correctly there's absolutely zero chance that the discount WR will ever need to block, or the overpriced OT will ever need to run a route.

receiving TE and blocking TE, yeah who needs a combo one

Originally posted by Maddoc
Originally posted by Iceman16

Originally posted by hoyaboy1


Originally posted by Homsar16



Originally posted by Adderfist




You're right. They have 16 blocking or catching. Our bad.

I'm really sorry that the people on your teams don't know how to build.

Why would a receiving TE want to have blocking, and why would the blocking TE want to have catching? Wasted points under the current setup.

Why would a player that builds a TE want to only block? Why would a TE want to be a shitty blocker? If you're making the position, you should want to do both. I'm sure there are guys that play TE to get cheap WRs and just run routes, but any decent owner isn't going to sign a player that's built like that, imo. I never did.

With two specific spots it's better to have highly dedicated builds. A TE doesn't necessarily need to be a shitty blocker if he's built solely for that role. And a TE built like a discount WR used to be bad, but now you can just call in the blocking TE on any play that you'd need the TE blocking anyways.

Basically, look at it this way.

You can have a TE that's 50% Blocking, 50% Receiving.

But he's going to be worse at receiving than the discount WR, and worse at blocking than the overpriced OT. The fact that he can potentially run both plays is meaningless because if the AI is set correctly there's absolutely zero chance that the discount WR will ever need to block, or the overpriced OT will ever need to run a route.

Honestly there should be no more discussion after this. YOu got it right.

Originally posted by Iceman16
but any decent owner isn't going to sign a player that's built like that, imo. I never did.

Any decent owner today would do the exact opposite of what you are doing.

As a possible solution to Te1/Te2 Rb1/Rb2 type problems.

Would implementing a "Hands","Strong" or "Fast" player package option to plays,rather then gaming in a specific player allow an OC to still have some control,yet not allow him to fool the AI leaving the DC out of the mix.
Would a quick skill check not decide who is in each package?

Give the DC a couple packages geared around defending these packages,and i`d think that begins to fix a few problems.

Originally posted by Fekkd
As a possible solution to Te1/Te2 Rb1/Rb2 type problems.

Would implementing a "Hands","Strong" or "Fast" player package option to plays,rather then gaming in a specific player allow an OC to still have some control,yet not allow him to fool the AI leaving the DC out of the mix.
Would a quick skill check not decide who is in each package?

Give the DC a couple packages geared around defending these packages,and i`d think that begins to fix a few problems.



but then OCs whine about not being able to exploit

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=1854846

A solution to this problem in that suggestion thread, if you feel like reading through the crap I usually end up typing with no ability to consolidate the posts lol.

Originally posted by Maddoc
Originally posted by god056

sigh

I have a balanced TE, and I'm not regretting it. I'm actually proud of it in a way. I have seen it perform as a blocker in run plays and a receiver in pass plays, in one game.

I'm not a bandwagon person so I don't really rant about my TE not being a receiving one. I wanted him to be the emergency go to man, and so far he's doing what I wanted him to do.

I can see where you're coming from, since my TE is also balanced and I've been fairly happy with his performance on both sides. But the simple fact is that there's no real reason for there to be a balanced TE anymore.

Hopefully the defense will get some method of reacting to the playcalling by the offense. Should that happen, a balanced TE might be useful again just because they wouldn't give away the play quite so much as calling what essentially boils down to a WR or OT into the TE slot.

+1000

There is no reason for a balanced TE.... for now.

This will be fixed eventually (obviously).

So if you want to keep crying or building one-trick ponies... go for it.

Is there a reason to build any TEs?

It seems like you're better off with a lineman as the blocking TE and a WR as the receiving TE. Or is the out of position penalty bigger than I realize?