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Maybe use the formula for nominations (top 5ish?) and vote from there?

Originally posted by tpaterniti
We need more true nominations next season. I appreciate this because it took a while, but I think a little more time and maybe even voting would make it better.

Voting, ya, I remember how nominating and voting went last year (aka no one cared).

Originally posted by Jed
Maybe use the formula for nominations (top 5ish?) and vote from there?

Wow Jed I just saw the Avatar and while I think it's hilarious that might be why glb has uprisings fairly often lol.

Originally posted by Asheme

Mainly, my suggestion to Justa (which he turned down) was a modifier for team success (to both mimic RL where the most successful teams get more selections, and to avoid the outliers, usually on defense, who have inflated stats due to being on a weak team).


I've tried to account for those D players who have inflated stats due to being on a weak team. In particular, I've incorporated Pro Bowl points scored/total number of plays as a metric which I used as sort of a last step in making my decisions.

Originally posted by Ronin
I was a little disappointed to see almost no Coyotes on the East offense, ...
I'll take playoff hopes and OL recognition over Pro Bowl nominations any day.


I hope you would, given that these Pro Bowl selections are entirely my own opinion and obviously a work in progress. Also, individual success does not necessarily = team success. If you want to judge the strength of a team, you can just look at at the current standings, or, ultimately, the playoff results. Pro Bowl selections are about finding the best individual players, and I personally find it kinda neat that sometimes there are exceptional players on not so exceptional teams. Right now the defensive selections seem to generally cluster around the better teams. The offensive selections, not so much. That's a function of two things: one, less competitive teams tend to have one dimensional offenses, driving up stats and two, less successful teams have less depth on the roster, driving up stats. I've tried to pick people who are excellent, and not simply getting a lot of plays. Those players from non-competitive teams have often surprised me with how quality their stats are, and not just quantity. As for O-line selections those are a pretty good guide to team quality. But, I do want to improve it, and there are definitely great players on K-Zoo that I could be overlooking, so if you have any suggestions, thoughts or input, I'd love to hear it.

Originally posted by tpaterniti
We need more true nominations next season. I appreciate this because it took a while, but I think a little more time and maybe even voting would make it better.

Tell me what to do differently- please. I'd love to make this better. Voting would help, I agree, but when I've seen it tried, there was abysmal/no turnout. Even a critique would be more than welcome. Selections for FB, O-Line and to a lesser degree TE need a lot of help, but I'm relatively happy with how everything else turned out.

These rankings won't be accepted by everyone until the gutting/cpu issue has been taken care of, imo.

Originally posted by Doc
These rankings won't be accepted by everyone until the gutting/cpu issue has been taken care of, imo.




You mean they won't be as useful. I'm not trying to get everyone to bow to my selections, thread title aside. If you accept a stats-based approach to the Pro Bowl, guttted teams don't actually seem to be a big problem. Good players usually hang up the same numbers on gutted teams.

EDIT: Selections updated for the West to reflect everything through game 15. Changed the positioning, added:

Igor Rakmanov at RLB
Curly Merkin at CB
Matt Blevins at SS
Skram Dizzle at WR
Pretty Boy at QB

coach should be particularly pleased about two of those

Final tally for the West:
San Antonio Saints: Six players
Golden State Athletics: Three players, O-Line Unit
Minnesota Marauders: Three players, O-Line Unit
Bourbon Street Bullies: Three players
Columbus Bucks: Three players
Galaxy Aces: Three players
San Jose Spartans: Three players
South Bay Spartans: Three players
Washington Extreme: Two players
Kailua Daggers: One player
Las Vegas Freebirds: One player
Richmond Rebel Yell: One player

Obviously, the Freebirds got robbed.

Originally posted by Capaneus
coach should be particularly pleased about two of those

:hifive:

Just out of curiousity, why didn't the Marauders O-line get on the list?

Marauders vs Bourbon Street:

Marauders have given up equal sacks but 3 less hurries, edge: Marauders
Marauders have 5.5 ypc while BSB has 5.2, edge: Marauders
Marauders have 34 more pancakes, edge: Marauders


To be honest, I think GSA is the one that should not be there. I haven't looked at the Marauders and BSB totals yet but:

GSA vs Dayton and Detroit = 427 pancakes
vs the rest of the league = 83

Marauders O-line:

296 vs Dayton and Detroit:
91 vs rest of league

Aka in the games that were actually "real" the Marauders gave up quite a few less sacks+hurries and actually had more pancakes. Obviously there may be some error in my math since I am in a hurry, but it certainly isn't off enough to make my argument wrong.

Originally posted by Galkuris
Just out of curiousity, why didn't the Marauders O-line get on the list?

Marauders vs Bourbon Street:

Marauders have given up equal sacks but 3 less hurries, edge: Marauders
Marauders have 5.5 ypc while BSB has 5.2, edge: Marauders
Marauders have 34 more pancakes, edge: Marauders


To be honest, I think GSA is the one that should not be there. I haven't looked at the Marauders and BSB totals yet but:

GSA vs Dayton and Detroit = 427 pancakes
vs the rest of the league = 83



Hah, because I'm an idiot? 14 sacks and 257 Pancakes (I only count Pancakes for the starters because: it's easier and hopefully excludes most Pancakes from special teams play) equals 257/5 - 14 which gives your a score of 37.4, which puts you well ahead. I hadn't recalculated O-Line scores cause I remembered GSA and BSB being far ahead. Wrong. Will make the change.

EDIT: East is updated, and unless anyone has suggestions, I'm done.

Originally posted by tpaterniti
We need more true nominations next season. I appreciate this because it took a while, but I think a little more time and maybe even voting would make it better.

Yeah.. and cause Frederick Smooooot totally got snubbed!!!1 I hear that guy r00lz