Warrior General Games

Originally posted by pottsman
Would you go for pass rush or hard hitter on CE for an OLB? I'm guessing pass rush for shed and swat, as opposed to just dive on hitter.

I like the hard hitter for MLBs because of the DGen and the pass rush for LOLBs because of the shed& swat.

As a blanket statement to give you an answer, without knowing much about a build or using a player I'd suggest the pass rush for ROLBs over the hard hitter.

Originally posted by Rod Long
Originally posted by UnderDogs

So in other words, you build your linebackers like corners. Soft cap speed agility then vision. then cap speed again and again. train str and tackling together and play on wrap up. except for corners you probably wouldn't train those.

That sounds like a good route to take.

and invest heavily in diving tackle, shed block, and swat ball.

I haven't advocated a single one of those strategies that you described in your post. None. Read the thread


Originally posted by UnderDogs

Originally posted by bobellyn


Being a newbie, I think I screwed up http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=926775

Go ahead and retire that guy and start over. you don't need a single point in big sack.

But if you don't care, then pump speed to cap. then agility, then vision. stop spending on s.a's for now. and you probably wasted a point in defense gen when you might not even be playing m.l.b.

You have to decide before you build. Do you want to play middle, or O.L.B, then build accordingly.

it looks like you have no real direction you're heading with him.

This is exactly why I made this thread. Exactly. Because of posts like this. Its terribly frustrating for people to get advice like this from people playing themselves off like they know what works when they don't have a player or team that they OWN/GM/ or are ON that is winning/productive.

Originally posted by UnderDogs

You have to decide before you build. Do you want to play middle, or O.L.B, then build accordingly.


seriously, stop forever.

WOw harsh you pretty much described your linebacker to be corners that are a little stronger and better at tackling. don't get your panties in a bunch.

(1) Don't pump strength to more than 25.
(2) Don't pump tackling to more than 35.
(3) Focus (but don't necessarily max one and then switch to the next attribute) on Speed as your primary, agility as your secondary and vision as the third.
(4) Set to Wrap Up. Now you won't miss tackles and you will still force fumbles.
(5) Train confidence, jumping, and catching to 20.
(6) Enjoy the awesomeness of your linebacker and the excellent offers you will receive in free agency in the coming seasons.

this is word for word what you would do with a corner back. except you probably wouldn't want too much tackling. and about 20 str.

so tell me again I didn't read it a*shole. Don't be mad at me because countless number of people in this thread showed you up. I wasn't even trying to start sh*t. I actually think it's a good idea ya d*ck.

Originally posted by Rod Long
Originally posted by UnderDogs

So in other words, you build your linebackers like corners. Soft cap speed agility then vision. then cap speed again and again. train str and tackling together and play on wrap up. except for corners you probably wouldn't train those.

That sounds like a good route to take.

and invest heavily in diving tackle, shed block, and swat ball.

I haven't advocated a single one of those strategies that you described in your post. None. Read the thread


Originally posted by UnderDogs

Originally posted by bobellyn


Being a newbie, I think I screwed up http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=926775

Go ahead and retire that guy and start over. you don't need a single point in big sack.

But if you don't care, then pump speed to cap. then agility, then vision. stop spending on s.a's for now. and you probably wasted a point in defense gen when you might not even be playing m.l.b.

You have to decide before you build. Do you want to play middle, or O.L.B, then build accordingly.

it looks like you have no real direction you're heading with him.

This is exactly why I made this thread. Exactly. Because of posts like this. Its terribly frustrating for people to get advice like this from people playing themselves off like they know what works when they don't have a player or team that they OWN/GM/ or are ON that is winning/productive.

Originally posted by UnderDogs

You have to decide before you build. Do you want to play middle, or O.L.B, then build accordingly.


seriously, stop forever.

Seriously, what about that is bad advice? seriously tell me oh great one.
If you think you need big sack , you're an idiot. All I said is he already wasted 2 points in something he will never need. and defense general isn't worth it if you don't even know if you're going to play middle linebacker. Get over yourself.

You're trying to get people to build linebackers like over glorified corners. It's not some damn gift. It's like woo pee doooooooooo.

The difference between what you say and what I say

Originally posted by Rod Long
Originally posted by bobellyn

Being a newbie, I think I screwed up http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=926775

I've fixed much worse. The only mistakes is really too many SA's and maybe putting points into confidence over training it. It doesn't preclude you from having success now or in the future.

Your production just shows how many categories and the balance needed for a LB and how just shooting up one attribute at a time isn't such a short or long term successful solution.

-Don't put anymore points into SA's for 20 levels.
-Don't put anymore points into confidence but to train it ONLY.
-You are ok on strength/tackling/stam for a while.
-Focus on speed/agility ONLY for next 40 skill points at a minimum.

you are ok, dude . Don't worry

Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by bobellyn

Being a newbie, I think I screwed up http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=926775

Go ahead and retire that guy and start over. you don't need a single point in big sack.

But if you don't care, then pump speed to cap. then agility, then vision. stop spending on s.a's for now. and you probably wasted a point in defense gen when you might not even be playing m.l.b.

You have to decide before you build. Do you want to play middle, or O.L.B, then build accordingly.

it looks like you have no real direction you're heading with him.

so for starters, lets just retire your LB because you think he has 2 superfluous points in an SA that is not utilzed for right now.

Whatever.

You have to decide what type of LB before you build him. . . that is crazy. You may not have to pump DGen til level 25 or higher if ever you decide just to be a MLB. Otherwise what else in LB builds dictates a dramatic shift in build theory per LB position. It doesn't genius.

Its obvious that your asinine attempts to discredit me when this theory has been nitpicked unsuccessfully to death fail miserably.

Don't weigh in when you don't have a clue, bro.

Rod, here's my stats for my lvl 19 LB:

Strength: 23.96
Blocking: 15.5
Speed: 69.5(51.5)
Tackling: 30.98
Agility: 49.96
Throwing: 8
Jumping: 19.5
Catching: 14.5
Stamina: 31.96
Carrying: 9
Vision: 42.96
Kicking: 8
Confidence: 17.96
Punting: 9

I am going to boost after tonight's training, and I am debating on getting my speed to 60 without equipment or should I be working on raising something else? I'm training str and jumping now and next season I plan on working on confidence. Any help will be appreciated. I want to be able to get into position to make the play which is why my equipment is all in speed.

Originally posted by UnderDogs
(1) Don't pump strength to more than 25.
(2) Don't pump tackling to more than 35.
(3) Focus (but don't necessarily max one and then switch to the next attribute) on Speed as your primary, agility as your secondary and vision as the third.
(4) Set to Wrap Up. Now you won't miss tackles and you will still force fumbles.
(5) Train confidence, jumping, and catching to 20.
(6) Enjoy the awesomeness of your linebacker and the excellent offers you will receive in free agency in the coming seasons.

this is word for word what you would do with a corner back. except you probably wouldn't want too much tackling. and about 20 str.

so tell me again I didn't read it a*shole. Don't be mad at me because countless number of people in this thread showed you up. I wasn't even trying to start sh*t. I actually think it's a good idea ya d*ck.

1. This isn't your fucking thread.
2. No one asked you about your opinion.
3. You don't know how to build a player, its very obvious from your profile.
4. Leave, now.

Originally posted by eZe471
I want to be able to get into position to make the play which is why my equipment is all in speed.

imo vision will help with that. I don't think having 70 speed and 50 agility is a good idea myself. It might work for receivers (or it might not) but I find that defensive players can overrun plays when they have high speed but low vision and agility. I would put 1 piece of eq in agility, soft cap vision, then work on getting speed to the next cap. I would definitely train str and tackling but that's just me, it depends on your team somewhat. I don't like for my LB to get pushed around by FBs and TEs on running plays.

Originally posted by eZe471
Rod, here's my stats for my lvl 19 LB:

Strength: 23.96
Blocking: 15.5
Speed: 69.5(51.5)
Tackling: 30.98
Agility: 49.96
Throwing: 8
Jumping: 19.5
Catching: 14.5
Stamina: 31.96
Carrying: 9
Vision: 42.96
Kicking: 8
Confidence: 17.96
Punting: 9

I am going to boost after tonight's training, and I am debating on getting my speed to 60 without equipment or should I be working on raising something else? I'm training str and jumping now and next season I plan on working on confidence. Any help will be appreciated. I want to be able to get into position to make the play which is why my equipment is all in speed.

After watching a round of playoff games of midlevel players, it reconfirms my stance of softcapping vision. I like the idea of keeping a ratio of natural speed/natural agility rather than just shooting one to the softcap and switching. Worked brilliantly for my MLB this year.

Also, getting my linebackers to 30 confidence helped a lot and short circuited a lot of the 'sim games' on defense. Plus I think that is an excellent team wide concept along with the contribution of the aura collaborative defenses

Originally posted by Darren McFadden
Originally posted by eZe471

I want to be able to get into position to make the play which is why my equipment is all in speed.

imo vision will help with that. I don't think having 70 speed and 50 agility is a good idea myself. It might work for receivers (or it might not) but I find that defensive players can overrun plays when they have high speed but low vision and agility. I would put 1 piece of eq in agility, soft cap vision, then work on getting speed to the next cap. I would definitely train str and tackling but that's just me, it depends on your team somewhat. I don't like for my LB to get pushed around by FBs and TEs on running plays.



Yeah, I think its a BAAAD idea to have sub-30 vision and 70/50 s/a (as just an example). I've seen some games that would make you think the LBacker is escorting the HB/WR to the end zone. I've seen them overrun plays, just pause in the midst of 5-6 players and 'keep backpedaling' because of low vision. I think the difference between 40 vision and 50 vision is huge but the difference between 50 vision LBs and 65 vision LBs isn't very much. ...just from personal experience with them.

Originally posted by Rod Long

I think the difference between 40 vision and 50 vision is huge but the difference between 50 vision LBs and 65 vision LBs isn't very much. ...just from personal experience with them.

do your LBs generally set to play pass, run, or balanced? Or do you split by position? We have a high vision LB who made a lot of plays early in the season as a MLB but fewer at SLB (which could be more due to scheme than the player).

they seem to always react better when set to run and run into blockers less. Its like they get that read earlier and jump the play a bit. This is most noticeable on runs to the outside and when they shoot the vacated pulling guard gap. Its not perfect but I noticed a significant difference when that happened and that was the only thing I had changed. No AI change or play call changed.

I just hated my high vision LB though.

Thanks for the input guys, of course I had to assign my points before your replies (I work nights and sleep all day). I put most points into speed and had one of my best games, he is a backup so he gets fewer plays but led the team (tied for first) in tackles. I agree that vision needs to be high so that he makes reads quicker so I'll be putting my next 5 points in vision after tonight's training. I thought I had read where 80 speed and 50 agility seemed to be a good ratio so that's why I bumped speed. Again, thanks for the help Rod and Darren.

Originally posted by Rod Long
I feel very sorry for the newer players to the game. Its been far too long that have been getting extremely shoddy advice from players that haven't been around the game long enough to draw any of their own conclusions.

A person giving you advice whose own player is a level 20ish means a few things.
(1) This person likely spent a season in the D-Leagues and ONE season in a real league.
(2) They are already frequenting the forums

This means
(1) They have no real experience
(2) They regurgitate forum drivel to make themselves seem smart.
(3) They should not be giving advice.


How not to screw up building a linebacker at the beginning (pre-level 20)
(1) Don't pump strength to more than 25.
(2) Don't pump tackling to more than 35.
(3) Focus (but don't necessarily max one and then switch to the next attribute) on Speed as your primary, agility as your secondary and vision as the third.
(4) Set to Wrap Up. Now you won't miss tackles and you will still force fumbles.
(5) Train confidence, jumping, and catching to 20.
(6) Enjoy the awesomeness of your linebacker and the excellent offers you will receive in free agency in the coming seasons.

What does this mean?
Don't listen to anyone whose linebackers have a green rush defense bar and a yellow pass defense bar (or a significantly larger rush bar > pass bar). They will be defensive of their ineffective defender.

Because you have focused on your main categories, your linebacker can blitz effectively, defend passes and be effective in coverage, and most importantly make awesome plays like Tackles for Losses and great run stops BECAUSE the LB gets to the point of attack.

For instance, on a pitch play where the strongside guard pulls an opportunity is created for a linebacker to shoot that vacated hole to get the player in the backfield before he wrecks shop to the outside. Slower, stronger players will get caught on the strongside tackle or another trailing blocker while a fast linebacker makes the tackle in the backfield.

How does this apply to trends in the game (specifically power backs)

When a player with 55 natural strength and 55 natural tackling still misses tackles on wrap up, then there is absolutely nothing a player's build can accomodate to prevent this. This just shows that missed tackles will happen regardless.

Since power backs usually break tackles, then having more people trying to tackle them makes more sense, right?
Right!
How do you do that, Rod?
Get more linebackers and defenders to the point of attack quicker.

High strength does not correlate to better tackling. I'll point to my own linebacking corps who have played against stud power backs and held them in check. They don't have high strength or high tackling. Enough to be effective but not superfluous amounts.

Having a better overall player who is more versatile, marketable, and more fun to play while still wildly effective should be your goal, especially in the first few seasons of his career.

this is fine for a OLB maybe but not an MLB