Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Dub J
Does a team have to play ladder games over there or is it an option? I hate looking at our schedule at GLB2 and wading through the ladder games and shit to see our real games (league).





No it isn't an option it is part of your weekly schedule. Currently I like the Ladder element but only if my league consistently keeps the same teams. If we move to a gold/silver/bronze action you will be right, the real games will be the league games, and the ladder will be useless to anyone in the real leagues. That is why I just don't understand the concept going beyond this opening season. sigh...

Originally posted by Time Trial
I think giving people new shit to try would convince them to stay in the game longer. I don't claim to speak for others, but I know that I'd build another class of GLB1 dots if there was shit to experiment with. The problem is, there is a very general (an probably reasonable) mistrust in the ability for Admins to bring new content to the game that isn't game-breakingly OPed or third nerf Big Heart weak.

Originally posted by bhall43
Why even be a peewee league? It would be the only league anyone would play.

Just make Insta 79's and bring back the pyramid leagues. But make the leagues as a whole 16 teams with divisions.

Nope. You're both missing it. Cosmetic changes to how you get to play this sim will all grow old quickly. The answer is that Bort has to continue pulling back the limits that keep the sim from allowing the creativity and full range of options one would expect from RL football. Defense has to have full range of movement...... Every dot should have a few pages of player options....... Offensive play creator limited only by those rules common to football........ All of it....
The argument against this are that "not everyone can handle that much complication or has that much time". That argument is what kills competition, GLB started declining just as soon as, and in proportion to, limits to further development being introduced. GLB catered to the least common denominators and is still paying the price.
In a robust Football MMORPG universe there should be room for all levels of talent/time commitment to participate but you can't cater to the less competitive agents, nor tell the top levels "that's as good as it gets".
Want me to tell you how to get it done....?

Originally posted by bhall43
Originally posted by Dub J

Does a team have to play ladder games over there or is it an option? I hate looking at our schedule at GLB2 and wading through the ladder games and shit to see our real games (league).





No it isn't an option it is part of your weekly schedule. Currently I like the Ladder element but only if my league consistently keeps the same teams. If we move to a gold/silver/bronze action you will be right, the real games will be the league games, and the ladder will be useless to anyone in the real leagues. That is why I just don't understand the concept going beyond this opening season. sigh...

lol you got fired

Originally posted by BagO'Chips
It's so fucking confusing because you have your record combined with the ladder games, and then your record within your league. At first I thought I was doing good OC'ing, and then I realized only half of our wins were in our league.

We haven't won a game since.

On the other hand I have 2 teams ranked in the top 20 that currently aren't even in the Wild Card spot for playoffs with 4 games to go. Which makes it a lot of fun.

Originally posted by dbreeze
Nope. You're both missing it. Cosmetic changes to how you get to play this sim will all grow old quickly. The answer is that Bort has to continue pulling back the limits that keep the sim from allowing the creativity and full range of options one would expect from RL football. Defense has to have full range of movement...... Every dot should have a few pages of player options....... Offensive play creator limited only by those rules common to football........ All of it....
The argument against this are that "not everyone can handle that much complication or has that much time". That argument is what kills competition, GLB started declining just as soon as, and in proportion to, limits to further development being introduced. GLB catered to the least common denominators and is still paying the price.
In a robust Football MMORPG universe there should be room for all levels of talent/time commitment to participate but you can't cater to the less competitive agents, nor tell the top levels "that's as good as it gets".
Want me to tell you how to get it done....?

You lost me at offensive play creator. You can harp all you want about how neat it would be but it would be stupid as all hell. Knowledgeable OC's like myself would make DC's quit even trying because it would be so easy.

Originally posted by bhall43
Originally posted by dbreeze

Nope. You're both missing it. Cosmetic changes to how you get to play this sim will all grow old quickly. The answer is that Bort has to continue pulling back the limits that keep the sim from allowing the creativity and full range of options one would expect from RL football. Defense has to have full range of movement...... Every dot should have a few pages of player options....... Offensive play creator limited only by those rules common to football........ All of it....
The argument against this are that "not everyone can handle that much complication or has that much time". That argument is what kills competition, GLB started declining just as soon as, and in proportion to, limits to further development being introduced. GLB catered to the least common denominators and is still paying the price.
In a robust Football MMORPG universe there should be room for all levels of talent/time commitment to participate but you can't cater to the less competitive agents, nor tell the top levels "that's as good as it gets".
Want me to tell you how to get it done....?

You lost me at offensive play creator. You can harp all you want about how neat it would be but it would be stupid as all hell. Knowledgeable OC's like myself would make DC's quit even trying because it would be so easy.

why did you get fired?

Originally posted by 5STAR
why did you get fired?

Because I told my boss to go to hell.

Originally posted by jdbolick
This entire argument is ridiculous, not only because someone like you should never have the nerve to argue with someone like me, but because you've completely dodged the fact that the only large flex expenditure comes from dot creation. If dot building was so flawed, people wouldn't have bought gobs of flex. GLB very clearly and obviously still exists because of the ALG build process.


People bought gobs of flex. ALGs exist. Therefore people bought gobs of flex because ALGs existed. Logical fallacy at its finest.

Originally posted by irony
Well at least we've now officially established that are, indeed, stupid.

Do you realize that the only reason that you think you've won arguments is because, in the end, no one likes arguing with someone who thinks that yelling the longest and loudest makes them win the argument? When the other side stops arguing with you, it isn't because you were right, it is because they realize that talking to a wall is just counter productive.

Originally posted by jdbolick
You do not build "high quality WL dots" by any stretch of the imagination. I had a lot of holes to fill on Grand Banks this off-season and I looked through your free agent thread without finding a single one I thought was worth recruiting. Back in the day you rarely if ever had dots on WL teams, correct? You have some now only because the supply has gone down, not because yours are any good. Mine are some of the best built in the game while you're not even on the next tier down.

If you can't win using the majority of the dots that I build, you can't win period. I admit, some of them didn't work out and some of them were concepts that failed, but the rest were all solid builds. I had 3 AEQ builds, lots of SAs, and still managed a solid SP Value out of the builds. The fact that my dots don't fit into your system doesn't mean that they aren't good dots, it means they aren't the right dots for your team... or it means that you lack creativity and can't figure out how to use a dot that doesn't look like the model you have in your head.

As of last count, at least 18 of my dots were picked up by WL teams through the FA market. That's without inside connections, without PMing owners or coordinators, just by making my dots available in the PLFT forum. 12 different WL teams found something that I'm offering to be worthy of being on their WL squads.

Originally posted by irony
Well at least we've now officially established that are, indeed, stupid.

I think it well documented that having to resort to insults to the other side's intelligence is indicative of a lack of creativity, understanding, and intelligence not on the part of the one being insulted, but rather on the one who lays the insult. This is the third straight post where you felt the need to do so. Interesting.

Originally posted by 5STAR
why did you get fired?

Dick in a box doesn't work from 9-5 apparently

Originally posted by Time Trial
If you can't win using the majority of the dots that I build, you can't win period.

Oh shit...

Originally posted by bhall43
Those are just lolscrims though. Because there is only one league that matters. The top league. The ladder games are meaningless at that point. Just like tournaments and scrims are meaningless in GLB1 ever since WL was established.

Right, but you get to the top of the pyramid over the course of "X" number of seasons, depending on how many layers you need to make the pyramid. If all teams are capable of being created equal, then a team that starts at the base of the pyramid and wins its way up to the top, might have been capable of knocking off the teams at the top of the pyramid. That's why, for any given season, I'd rather have the pyramid be sorted using a ladder system rather than sorting a ladder using the pyramid system. In the abcence of a ladder, the elite team that starts at the base of the pyramid is forced to wade through "X" seasons of garbage to get to where the ladder would have placed him in one season.

Please do not bring an element from GLB2 I hate to GLB1.

TT's dots kick ass all over the yard