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Originally posted by cjericho
Totally agree with this statement, the biggest problem with this whole subject is all the people telling other players what they can and cannot do with their own time and money.


Great statement

If I want to have fun and put my guy in the D League, why shouldnt I be allowed to?

I understand the HOF argument, but make that argument about fixing the HOF and not condensing D Leagues.

Edit: I would hate to sign my dot to a CPU owned team and see him slaughtered by a human owned team

Originally posted by cjericho
I have no problem condensing down the leagues to restore more of the competitive balance but eliminating a league altoghether goes way beyond condensing. Getting rid of something means you are eliminating that choice which in turn is telling people it's either this or nothing. For most in the d-leagues they would chose to quit this game, then to be forced into a crappy team playing for an owner they don't want to play for. If you really want to condense leagues than the focus should be on condensing the regular leagues. The fact of the matter is that most of the players in the d-leagues are not really worth having on any human ran team because they are either non boosting, badly built, or past their prime and the d-league is the best place for them. As far as the players worth signing, they are in the minority.

You haven't been around here to know what's really gone on here so I'll explain.

Back in the earlier days there was only regular leagues and low level D-leagues. Casual, peewee, and higher level D-leagues didn't exist. D-leagues were somewhere no one wanted to play and people would strive to be on human owned teams. Game was immeasurable better than it is now. There were more rivalries, team pride, ect...

Some people began wanting niche leagues. The userbase was MUCH larger than it is now so Bort added more and more regular leagues. He then added casual and peewee leagues. As time went on the userbase steadily dwindled down to a mere shadow of what it once was. GLB went into money grab mode and part of that was adding higher level D-leagues so suckers would continue to create QBs and HBs and play in meaningless D-league games. This had unintended consequences, though. People started bringing in other positions as they found various ways to essentially create competitions involving PFs and D-leagues.

Anyone that doesn't believe me needs to check out the D-leagues. I went through every single D-league team in the team I bought age group and there are prolly just as many CBs, D-linemen, ect... as there are QBs.

I love this game and want to see it improve. I don't have selfish reasons for wanting to kill upper level D-leagues and PW as it doesn't benefit me personally. It benefits everyone involved with this game. Bort caving to every squeaky wheel is why the userbase is so spread out now. It's time he bucks up and does what is best for this game rather than try to go in 500 different directions in order to appease everyone.

I wish this wasn't an issue, tbh. I would love for us to still have this massive userbase that allows for all these different league types. Unfortunately, this is not the case and it's time for the leagues to contract as the userbase has already contracted severely.

Would also like to see the amount of teams owned greatly reduced as well. 3 should be the max again.

Originally posted by Dub J
Originally posted by Dub J

Giving every little fringe group what they want is why the userbase is so spread out. This isn't about telling people what to do with their time and money. It's about making this game better overall. Only way to do that is to contract the leagues and pull people back together.



If this game has to FORCE people out of D leagues, the problem lies elsewhere....
People who have fun having a player in the D leagues doesn't mean that they'll have fun on a player team, I think that's been noted here. With that being said, they may leave the game altogether. And GLB may lose money (however little) on those people.

I have one QB in the D leagues right now, it's a nice break from my team that I own and players just to see how he does.

How about some marketing to drive people in?

Originally posted by Buzz42day
Just to expand on something.

Leading Rusher in all of "D" leagues at the Prep Level is 280 yards. Prep 1 leading rusher has 1214 yards, Prep 2 is 1634, Prep 3 is 1695, Prep 4 is 1064, and Prep 5 is 1638. Who's stat whoring?

Leading Passer in all of "D" leagues at the University Level is 604 yards. University 1 leading passer has 719 yards, Uni 2 is 3212 yards, Uni 3 is 1803 yards, and Uni 4 is 1331. Who's stat whoring?

The quick glance I did at "D" leagues looks like the only person in all of GLB that is stat whoring is me. At least with a skill position. I guess I'd like to see the proof, besides my dot, of agents who are guilty of the OP's charge.

part of "whoring" is trying to get a cheap MVP and these stats illustrate how much easier it is to do in D-leagues than others, especially for returners and kickers.

the endorsement EQ that may follow can then be taken and used the following season vs. real teams.

getting rid of all MVP awards and trophies for D-leauges would be a big step forward.

Originally posted by Dub J
You haven't been around here to know what's really gone on here so I'll explain.

Back in the earlier days there was only regular leagues and low level D-leagues. Casual, peewee, and higher level D-leagues didn't exist. D-leagues were somewhere no one wanted to play and people would strive to be on human owned teams. Game was immeasurable better than it is now. There were more rivalries, team pride, ect...

Some people began wanting niche leagues. The userbase was MUCH larger than it is now so Bort added more and more regular leagues. He then added casual and peewee leagues. As time went on the userbase steadily dwindled down to a mere shadow of what it once was. GLB went into money grab mode and part of that was adding higher level D-leagues so suckers would continue to create QBs and HBs and play in meaningless D-league games. This had unintended consequences, though. People started bringing in other positions as they found various ways to essentially create competitions involving PFs and D-leagues.

Anyone that doesn't believe me needs to check out the D-leagues. I went through every single D-league team in the team I bought age group and there are prolly just as many CBs, D-linemen, ect... as there are QBs.

I love this game and want to see it improve. I don't have selfish reasons for wanting to kill upper level D-leagues and PW as it doesn't benefit me personally. It benefits everyone involved with this game. Bort caving to every squeaky wheel is why the userbase is so spread out now. It's time he bucks up and does what is best for this game rather than try to go in 500 different directions in order to appease everyone.

I wish this wasn't an issue, tbh. I would love for us to still have this massive userbase that allows for all these different league types. Unfortunately, this is not the case and it's time for the leagues to contract as the userbase has already contracted severely.






It is true that have not been around as long, but I have been in GLB for close to two years now and the d-leagues have been around the entire time I have been here. The d-leagues have become an integral part of GLB and if there are no d- leagues than the number of players will be drastically reduced, to even smaller number. That is why I am saying getting rid of them will not fix the issue.

The best way I think to solve the unbalanced competition issue is to come up with some kind of compromise. Here would be my idea for compromise.

-Create a Human\CPU hybrid league and place it in the lower human leagues.
-One division is all human teams or cpu teams that can be bought.
-The other division is all non purchasable cpu teams.
-When a human team plays a cpu team the human team cannot do any game planing, so as to keep the game competitive.
-The rest of the league can operate as any normal league does.
-Then at the end of the season the champion from the Human conference plays the CPU champion

This could potentially please both sides because it provides the best of both worlds.

Originally posted by fogie55
part of "whoring" is trying to get a cheap MVP and these stats illustrate how much easier it is to do in D-leagues than others, especially for returners and kickers.

the endorsement EQ that may follow can then be taken and used the following season vs. real teams.

getting rid of all MVP awards and trophies for D-leauges would be a big step forward.

yep. but i still see the highest possible level players sneaking into the d leagues so that they can stat whore just by being so much higher level. seems too easy to put players into d leagues just prior to going pro and earn some easy mvps for use the following season.

another argument that i dont understand is the "wasted" season playing for a "bad" owner. how is being on a d team not wasted? at least with a human owner, you have a chance to discuss your role with the team. d leagues is 100% random. but i would still prefer to see teams not be bought after a few games until that team is out of the playoffs.

Originally posted by cjericho

-Create a Human\CPU hybrid league and place it in the lower human leagues.
-One division is all human teams or cpu teams that can be bought.
-The other division is all non purchasable cpu teams.
-When a human team plays a cpu team the human team cannot do any game planing, so as to keep the game competitive.
-The rest of the league can operate as any normal league does.
-Then at the end of the season the champion from the Human conference plays the CPU champion

This could potentially please both sides because it provides the best of both worlds.

the problem with this is that in the current team promotion, that human team would get an easy gold and promotion. people would start gaming the system to be in those leagues.

Originally posted by fogie55
part of "whoring" is trying to get a cheap MVP and these stats illustrate how much easier it is to do in D-leagues than others, especially for returners and kickers.

the endorsement EQ that may follow can then be taken and used the following season vs. real teams.

getting rid of all MVP awards and trophies for D-leauges would be a big step forward.

That is a fair assessment but instead of getting rid of the MVPs just make them ineligible to receive MVP gear.

Originally posted by fogie55
part of "whoring" is trying to get a cheap MVP and these stats illustrate how much easier it is to do in D-leagues than others, especially for returners and kickers.

the endorsement EQ that may follow can then be taken and used the following season vs. real teams.

getting rid of all MVP awards and trophies for D-leauges would be a big step forward.

The awards thing doesn't really matter since it's entitled from what league you got it from. But you make a fair point about the MVP EQ. I'd agree with removing that.

Originally posted by Guppy, Inc
the problem with this is that in the current team promotion, that human team would get an easy gold and promotion. people would start gaming the system to be in those leagues.

Well that is why game planing by the human team would not be allowed, the human team will have the exact same game plan as the cpu team. As far as gaming the system goes, that is already happening now so it wouldn't be any different.

Originally posted by cjericho
That is a fair assessment but instead of getting rid of the MVPs just make them ineligible to receive MVP gear.

yeah, that would be ok unless they make fame more important. i thought mvp affected fame, but at least there had been a lower fame per game for playing in the d leagues, not sure if that is still true.

Just make MVP equipment have to come from a competitive league - problem solved. That seems to be the gist of the suggestion anyway. As for not enough players for human teams, getting rid of the D-leagues isn't going to address that - because it's the quality - not quantity of the players that matter for competitive leagues. Simply won't find the quantity of quality players to make an impact for needy teams in the upper D's.

Originally posted by cjericho
Originally posted by Guppy, Inc

the problem with this is that in the current team promotion, that human team would get an easy gold and promotion. people would start gaming the system to be in those leagues.

Well that is why game planing by the human team would not be allowed, the human team will have the exact same game plan as the cpu team. As far as gaming the system goes, that is already happening now so it wouldn't be any different.

So we have to make another league just to get rid of a league?

There still should be a place for the guy who wants to watch his post-plateau dot fade away. Not sure the competitive leagues are that place.