Warrior General Games

Originally posted by dusk883
Question: WHERES the fun factor when there are so many blowouts? WHAT IF less nerdified dots could compete?

Exactly.

Originally posted by yello1
There is a saying that goes "You write what you know".

I suggest about what I see.

Obviously what I see in the game is my experience of the game, and therefore the basis for my suggestions.

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u have no experience yet u keep on posting. u dont see a problem with that?

Originally posted by Diamond Spade
u have no experience yet u keep on posting. u dont see a problem with that?

Season 1 owner. 9 teams, most of them owned for 20 plus seasons. Co-Own GM'd many. Built hundreds of Dots including MVPs and have lots of gold rings and a few owner gold trophies as well.

You joined four and a half months after me and have built a grand total of 12 dots, GM one team and all of your hardware is for lolGM.

If you ain't a multi, that is one bald faced troll right thar. LOL.

Originally posted by yello1
Season 1 owner. 9 teams, most of them owned for 20 plus seasons. Co-Own GM'd many. Built hundreds of Dots including MVPs and have lots of gold rings and a few owner gold trophies as well.

You joined four and a half months after me and have built a grand total of 12 dots, GM one team and all of your hardware is for lolGM.

If you ain't a multi, that is one bald faced troll right thar. LOL.

the game is base on the real sport which u have no experience of yet u keep on posting like u do. u dont see a problem with that?

Originally posted by yello1
Originally posted by reddogrw

http://goallineblitz.com/game/league.pl?league_id=280

amazingly, when leagues are reasonable balanced, you get balanced scoring, no 255-0 games, etc.

the issue yellow is arguing is not builds mattering, randomness, etc. - it is balancing the leagues - he just doesn't know it

That is actually entirely my point.

Since Bort will not adjust the build system to make balance a natural result of the process (ie make it a real Pro Ball sim where all the dots are Pro qualified by the very nature of the building choices), the only other way to manage it is to boost performance some way or another. A random element lets that happen. If you further modify the rolls for "looking past" games and it happens even more often. But I didn't put that obvious addition to the idea in the OP since it would have diverted the conversation.

But its got to be done some how. Contraction and Shuffling will not get it done. Its got to be done in the builds.

the builds is the wrong way to go and it won't happen

better way is to make as many leagues as possible like WL

Casual Pro and the Elite Leagues are the closest thing

making the SIM more random is a bad idea - in fact, one could legitimately argue the WL play is TOO random

What you suggest is just another RNG, AKA luck.. I hate luck, I want my game plan to matter more.

Also, many of your premise' are wrong. You don't need WL builds to be good enough to win, at least win enough to make playoffs and an occasional championship in Pro and below. I played one of your teams,your roster was a mess, your AI is horrible, your defensive scheme escapes me. Even if you had a team of the best Dots in the game, I don't think you could beat a team of average Dots and someone who knows what they are doing. Not trying to be an ass, and I"m not trying to discourage you, I enjoy your posts, but if you stop looking for excuses and learn how to get better, success will be much easier. Shoot, I'll even offer to teach you what I know, you can come aboard, be one of my DCs and rebuild with us our next time around. You can even keep a copy of the AI once there are a few seasons between my team and any new team you put together.

Originally posted by reddogrw
the builds is the wrong way to go and it won't happen

better way is to make as many leagues as possible like WL

Casual Pro and the Elite Leagues are the closest thing

making the SIM more random is a bad idea - in fact, one could legitimately argue the WL play is TOO random

You cant have more leagues like WL. WL relies upon the misery of a thousand to generate fun for 100. The 900 left on the outside are quitting out of disgust. That is why we have contraction.

The build thing is the one and only correct solution. Not this one quite so much (though Football has ups and downs and it SHOULD be in the game), but the raising of the bottom builds from sub basement to first floor quality.

It just makes zero sense in a game about Pro Football to allow players to field cubscout soccer players.

Think of it like this. Simplify builds (just for this analogy not for GLB) into four sliders, dexterity (speed agility) power (strength tackling blocking) athletics (confidence stamina) skills (throwing/kicking/vision etc). If you slide one over the other three move the opposite way, and you can lock a slider. Each Slider has a floor and a cap, with the floor and cap varying by position (power cap is higher for linemen but skills and dexterity caps and floors are lower).

The difference between floors and caps are such that in matched positions (OL DL, WR Scats v DBs, RBs v LBs etc) the range of performance is only perhaps 10% varied from top to bottom.

This may sound boring, and that simplistic would be.

But having that notion of a cap that is not that much higher over the floor in the opposing positions (and the same position compared to other dots on your team) is something that is real in Pro Football, and it is why NFL games are so well balanced - even before salary caps.

And the lack of it is why GLB blows to the point where most dots can not compete and teams go 0-16 losing games by twenty or fifty points routinely.

That IS a problem, whether or not you wish to acknowledge it.

And if Bort doesnt fix it, his game is limited to a small niche existence, an ever dwindling niche.

Originally posted by yello1
You cant have more leagues like WL. WL relies upon the misery of a thousand to generate fun for 100. The 900 left on the outside are quitting out of disgust. That is why we have contraction.

The build thing is the one and only correct solution. Not this one quite so much (though Football has ups and downs and it SHOULD be in the game), but the raising of the bottom builds from sub basement to first floor quality.

It just makes zero sense in a game about Pro Football to allow players to field cubscout soccer players.

Think of it like this. Simplify builds (just for this analogy not for GLB) into four sliders, dexterity (speed agility) power (strength tackling blocking) athletics (confidence stamina) skills (throwing/kicking/vision etc). If you slide one over the other three move the opposite way, and you can lock a slider. Each Slider has a floor and a cap, with the floor and cap varying by position (power cap is higher for linemen but skills and dexterity caps and floors are lower).

The difference between floors and caps are such that in matched positions (OL DL, WR Scats v DBs, RBs v LBs etc) the range of performance is only perhaps 10% varied from top to bottom.

This may sound boring, and that simplistic would be.

But having that notion of a cap that is not that much higher over the floor in the opposing positions (and the same position compared to other dots on your team) is something that is real in Pro Football, and it is why NFL games are so well balanced - even before salary caps.

And the lack of it is why GLB blows to the point where most dots can not compete and teams go 0-16 losing games by twenty or fifty points routinely.

That IS a problem, whether or not you wish to acknowledge it.

And if Bort doesnt fix it, his game is limited to a small niche existence, an ever dwindling niche.

y do u compare pro teams to the nfl when glb pro teams are not even the top of the top?

yello is equivalent to the guy that says he knows everything there needs to know about law and when u ask him how he knows what he knows he says i learned it from watching a marathon of law and order.

Originally posted by Diamond Spade
y do u compare pro teams to the nfl when glb pro teams are not even the top of the top?

As stated

The game is sold as a Pro Football Simulation

Every league in the game should be giving a Pro Football Simulation

The Only Pro Football there is is NFL

Not that it matters. ALL pro football gives balanced competitive results utterly unlike the GLB game play experience.

What we get is like buying a World War II simulation and upon loading the game finding yourself with a Bow and Arrow as a possible weapon choice.

Its just a lousy simulation.

Originally posted by Diamond Spade
yello is equivalent to the guy that says he knows everything there needs to know about law and when u ask him how he knows what he knows he says i learned it from watching a marathon of law and order.

Diamond is like a guy who says much of nothing and pretends its profound.

Originally posted by Dr. E
What you suggest is just another RNG, AKA luck.. I hate luck, I want my game plan to matter more.

Also, many of your premise' are wrong. You don't need WL builds to be good enough to win, at least win enough to make playoffs and an occasional championship in Pro and below. I played one of your teams,your roster was a mess, your AI is horrible, your defensive scheme escapes me. Even if you had a team of the best Dots in the game, I don't think you could beat a team of average Dots and someone who knows what they are doing. Not trying to be an ass, and I"m not trying to discourage you, I enjoy your posts, but if you stop looking for excuses and learn how to get better, success will be much easier. Shoot, I'll even offer to teach you what I know, you can come aboard, be one of my DCs and rebuild with us our next time around. You can even keep a copy of the AI once there are a few seasons between my team and any new team you put together.

First - as to the luck element, beyond the balancing try to get the concept I am talking about. In a real football league the coach would like his game plan to matter more too. But the players have to execute that game plan and the quality of their execution varies not just on their physique and training but also their mood and random variations in attention span/distractions/choices and motivation from play to play. In real life some of that is random and some of it is the personality of the player but we can not sim personality (not that I havent suggested that, I have). But you can simulate the effect of them by varying the performance of the dots during the games. Think of it like a Streaky VA in use at all times with out the net positiive. It may not be something you want, but it would make the game a better simulation of the subject matter.

As to my team, what team? Most of them I have coaches for, and the minor teams depending on when it was I did not always pay as much attention to as possible but the last several seasons I have tried to keep up - though mostly by signing OC DCs. Rosters on the minor teams were often iffy, since I was feeding the best dots to the Miracle as much as I could manage, and they were free agent pick up teams anyway. If it was the Miracle them usually I have run that D and in that case ouch. But yeah I do not know my scheme. I have thought I did (it was mostly crush the run and it did okay with that for a while) but with changes it became ineffective and I have been scrambling to find a new concept that works. I kinda like what I have now but have some dot issues this season here and there.

And yes I would be pleased to tutor on a team of yours. Keep me in mind and send me a PM when the time comes.

give 'em hell, yello

Originally posted by dusk883
Question: WHERES the fun factor when there are so many blowouts? WHAT IF less nerdified dots could compete?

how can you call anyone else a nerd when youre playing a MMORPG?

Originally posted by yello1
As stated

The game is sold as a Pro Football Simulation

Every league in the game should be giving a Pro Football Simulation

The Only Pro Football there is is NFL

Not that it matters. ALL pro football gives balanced competitive results utterly unlike the GLB game play experience.

What we get is like buying a World War II simulation and upon loading the game finding yourself with a Bow and Arrow as a possible weapon choice.

Its just a lousy simulation.
the bolded part
where does it say that.

as far as the pro thing, ur not getting it. how can u call something pro when there's a higher lvl above it. ppl who play in the nfl, nba, mls, etc are pros cuz they play at the highest lvl. do glb pro teams play at teh highest lvl of the game?

u would have a case if WL teams were losing 250-0 games but there not cuz the gap in talent is small just like in the NFL. if u gunna compare at least do it right esp in regards to talent.