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Originally posted by LordEvil
Made it the original post. I think it's great for everyone. Also Gold needs a higher turn over rate to make things more onteresting and like Bevo said, get rid of lazy teams kicking back in Gold. Lets get fresh young hungry teams in there even if they get beat up they at least get to experience it. Win / Win for all IMO

i agree 100%, pretty much that is what it should be and all we would need to make it work great is to have the admins keep on top of the leagues. i cant imagine replacing the CPU teams with human teams would be that difficult though surely?

Originally posted by LordEvil
Made it the original post. I think it's great for everyone. Also Gold needs a higher turn over rate to make things more onteresting and like Bevo said, get rid of lazy teams kicking back in Gold. Lets get fresh young hungry teams in there even if they get beat up they at least get to experience it. Win / Win for all IMO

I told you all i tried to lose my way out of gold to let some one else have a go at it last season (and so far so good this season ) ... its just that the cpu teams in gold ruined that for everyone....

how many more +1's does this movement really need ffs?

+1 to getting it done

+1 to anything that reduces all the CPU teams.

1 Gold
4 Silver
4 Copper
No CPU's ever in Gold, non playoff teams drop to Silver
Keep CPU's to a minimum in Silver, Conference winners move to Gold, lowest 2 seeds from each conference or CPU's drop to Copper
Use Copper as a steeping stone to Silver. All human owned teams move to Silver at seasons end. Eventually Silver shouldn't have any CPU's or at worst a small hand full and spread them out evenly between leagues and conferences.
imo

Y'all just need to stop pinning a number to the quantity of Copper Leagues. That solves all issues. Bort can figure that one out based on changing supply/demand on a seasonal basis. Just like he does for regular leagues.

How long do we have to discuss this issue...It obvious the current structure no longer works. Can we at least get a reply from an admin that something will be done? Even if we leave the structure the same, can we just get support to group all the player owned teams together?

Originally posted by Mat McBriar
Y'all just need to stop pinning a number to the quantity of Copper Leagues. That solves all issues. Bort can figure that one out based on changing supply/demand on a seasonal basis. Just like he does for regular leagues.

I don't think anyone cares how many coppers you have, you could have one hundred for all we care. What we do want is 1 Gold and 4 Silver to have two challenging leagues. I believe we keep commenting on copper is to help with Ideas on how to promote and demote.

1 thing for sure is everyone wants the non playoff teams in Gold going back to Silver with 16 teams from Silver coming into Gold each season. Its so easy right now for teams to kick back for a season and stay in gold.

Originally posted by Mat McBriar
Y'all just need to stop pinning a number to the quantity of Copper Leagues. That solves all issues. Bort can figure that one out based on changing supply/demand on a seasonal basis. Just like he does for regular leagues.

Originally posted by LordEvil
I don't think anyone cares how many coppers you have, you could have one hundred for all we care. What we do want is 1 Gold and 4 Silver to have two challenging leagues. I believe we keep commenting on copper is to help with Ideas on how to promote and demote.

1 thing for sure is everyone wants the non playoff teams in Gold going back to Silver with 16 teams from Silver coming into Gold each season. Its so easy right now for teams to kick back for a season and stay in gold.

pretty much nailed it, copper is just in these suggestions i think to help with the pro and demo to the silver leagues, but in terms of a number i dont think we really care just aslong as the silver leagues and gold leagues are mostly human and that the gold league be more like WL in terms of the demotions.

Originally posted by keltco
How long do we have to discuss this issue...It obvious the current structure no longer works. Can we at least get a reply from an admin that something will be done? Even if we leave the structure the same, can we just get support to group all the player owned teams together?

whats the say on all this then mat? anyone from above looking to make these changes or is anyone discussung it?

I think the Bronze league is pointless, just another poor man's trophy that people will want to collect that has no value. Ditch bronze and just make it 8 copper teams. I'd go with this:

1 Gold
2 Silver
8 Bronze

Or

1 Gold
4 Silver
8 Bronze

Anything else is just too much of a bad thing. They've made some strides to make pee-wee cheaper but it hasn't re-lit the magic that it once was. Too many leagues is a waste of everyone's time.

Originally posted by Rizyx
Originally posted by keltco

How long do we have to discuss this issue...It obvious the current structure no longer works. Can we at least get a reply from an admin that something will be done? Even if we leave the structure the same, can we just get support to group all the player owned teams together?

whats the say on all this then mat? anyone from above looking to make these changes or is anyone discussung it?

Already posted earlier in the thread. Just letting things develop more before I repost for Catch.

Originally posted by Mat McBriar
Some feedback was provided to the OP, but it wasn't all that well received. Suppose it would of been better if I just relayed more information here. OP has come around, though.

Originally posted by PM

Just wanted to let you know that I did bring up your suggestion in regards to going up to vote. Catch is hesitant, wanting to see the suggestion be more well thought out with actual ideas as to how said suggestion would work and be implemented.

So, by all means do not be discouraged. Treat this as a step away from being up for vote. Personally I would revise your OP and lean on flexible structure, almost mimicking what we see in the regular leagues. That's the most practical and dynamic as opposed to a rigid structure. I obviously dove in a bit on my first post in your thread.

Originally posted by Mat McBriar


Or just do PeeWee and PeeWee Gold/Elite. The quantity of PeeWee leagues being determined purely by demand.

Bort could just promote the best teams (determined by playoff success, record, past playoff success/record) from PeeWee to replace 8 teams in PeeWee Gold (keeping human teams at all costs, aka a 2nd place CPU team would demote while the 13th place human owned team would stay). Obviously is there were more than 8 CPU owned teams in Gold, Bort could make that adjustment.

tpat also mentioned something wise in the mod forum's "I think this is a good suggestion, what do you think?" thread.

Originally posted by tpaterniti


In peewee there is basically gold and everything else. The fact that you can buy any team any time in any tier makes the distinctions between copper and silver irrelevant. A huge improvement to peewee would be simply sorting all the human owned teams into leagues with each other on the last day of the offseason. But every peewee league ends up about the same. You have a few CPU teams, 2-4 teams in each division that know what they are doing, then everyone else.

Originally posted by LordEvil
Originally posted by Mat McBriar

Y'all just need to stop pinning a number to the quantity of Copper Leagues. That solves all issues. Bort can figure that one out based on changing supply/demand on a seasonal basis. Just like he does for regular leagues.

I don't think anyone cares how many coppers you have, you could have one hundred for all we care. What we do want is 1 Gold and 4 Silver to have two challenging leagues. I believe we keep commenting on copper is to help with Ideas on how to promote and demote.

1 thing for sure is everyone wants the non playoff teams in Gold going back to Silver with 16 teams from Silver coming into Gold each season. Its so easy right now for teams to kick back for a season and stay in gold.

Agree that the 1 Gold/4 Silver setup is a pretty good base. How many human teams (being defined as human owned and 40+ human players) are in PeeWee Gold/PeeWee Silver right now? Can the current system support 5 full leagues of humans?

I'll run some numbers in a few

Silver Leagues have
55 Players - 35 Teams
50-54 players - 16 teams
40-49 players - 21 teams
30-39 players - 7 teams
20-29 players - 9 teams



Worse than I thought, not enough in silver to make 2 leagues

55 …… Little Ohio State PeeWees
55 …… Faster Horses
55 …… Turf Warriors
55 …… Motorcity Maulers
55 …… This is Anfield
55 …… FBU Cowboys
55 …… The Portland T-Rex
55 …… Burger King Broilers
55 …… Coastal Empire Pirates
55 …… lawrence ks jayhawk
55 …… 14th street Buc"s
55 …… Invicta All-Stars PW
55 …… Miami Orange Knights
55 …… Mission Beach Monarchs
55 …… Subversive Education
55 …… Skookum Toques
55 …… Pee Wee Defiance
55 …… The Philosophers
55 …… Pittsburgh Steel Rangers
55 …… Corrupted Mayors
55 …… Belfast Evil Leprechauns
55 …… Michigan Crusaders
55 …… Spurbury Evil Shenanigans
55 …… Texas Shorthorns
55 …… NOLA Kangaroos
55 …… Texas Terrors
55 …… Boston Minutemen
55 …… Orlando Lamb Choppers
55 …… San Francisco 55ers
55 …… Arizona Rattlers
55 …… Lakeland Florida DreadNaughts
55 …… South Texas Border Patrol
55 …… The Warriors
55 …… O'Side Pee Wee's
55 …… Midnight Express
54 …… Gold Test Squad
54 …… Wood Village Whistle Pig "REBELS"
53 …… Tulsa PigSkinners
52 …… D-Town Demolition
52 …… Boston Teabaggers
52 …… Pee Wee Outlaws
52 …… Corona Centurions
52 …… KC Spartins
52 …… OffTopica Believers
52 …… Hotties None
52 …… Mississippi Mud Dogs
52 …… San Diego Thunder
51 …… Ljubljana Blues
51 …… New Jersey Dragoons
50 …… Twin Peaks
50 …… 101ST Airborne
49 …… Quιbec Nordiques
49 …… Brasilia Berserkers
49 …… St. Clair Murder Squad
48 …… Montevideo ATX-FIRE
48 …… Indiana Hoosiers
48 …… Dunder Mifflin Madness
48 …… Kansas City CEO's
48 …… Texas Hydroponics
47 …… Waste of 400 Flex Points
47 …… Midwest Connection Vol:2 Shaolin Dojo
47 …… Flagstaff Cardinals
46 …… T-Town Capstoners
46 …… The Deep Black Justice
46 …… Brevard Predators
45 …… Rapid City Flying Aces
45 …… Rosa Parks Took My Seat Busses
45 …… Cincinnati Superfreaks
43 …… Wisconsin Bovines
42 …… Houston Cyclones
41 …… You Mad Bro?????
40 …… Bristol Watchers
39 …… Chicago Machine
38 …… Nόrnberg Junior DEVILS
37 …… Barcelona Pagιs
36 …… Richmond Rams
35 …… Rapid City Rabid Rabbits
34 …… Cassville WildCats
32 …… Pittsburgh Steller Steelers
29 …… Massive Thwappers
28 …… Double D's Sexy Dots
28 …… Tennessee Crabs
26 …… Ryder Revolution
25 …… Gold Coast Bull Sharks
25 …… Charlotte Wild Hogs
24 …… Gulf Breeze Hookers
22 …… Frozen Fire
21 …… Childz Play
18 …… Texas Mavericks
17 …… Heart-Shaped Glasses
17 …… Team Franchise
17 …… Chicago Grizzlies
16 …… Wheaton Warrenville South Tigers
15 …… Okeechobee Violaters
13 …… Funky Monkey Mafia
13 …… Urban Blitzers
13 …… London City Storm
11 …… Portlandia Pee Wees
10 …… honululu speed
10 …… Little Green Men
9 …… Middleburg Middies
9 …… Crimson Kings
5 …… Fresno Forest Fires
5 …… Indianapolis Snake Oil Salesmen
5 …… Toronto Red Star
5 …… Fighting Ferrets
3 …… California Silver Bullets
3 …… Slidell Raiders
3 …… Colorado Mustangs
2 …… Copper City Test Dots
2 …… Tiger Blood
2 …… Sons Of Ares
1 …… Evart Wildcats
1 …… Bayside Bears
1 …… New Orleans Pelicans
1 …… Utah Mormons
1 …… O. J. Simpson's White Broncos
1 …… Austin Bulls
0 …… Vikings Rise Like Pheonix
0 …… Great Lakes Zebra Mussles
0 …… Headbangers Ball
0 …… Montpellier Wildcats
0 …… Boot Camp click
0 …… He Hate Me !!!
0 …… One Man Wolfpack
0 …… Westville Mud Hens
0 …… Merc's Mercenaries Pee Wee
0 …… Addict Nation PW
0 …… Sheboygan Bratwurst
0 …… Foreign Legion
0 …… UT Pimps
0 …… Dayton Who Dey Bengals
0 …… Huntsville Hard Hitters
0 …… Day Crew Terry Crews
0 …… WHYS based Beasts
0 …… District 13: Lockdown
0 …… EVENT HORIZON
0 …… Westfield Bombers
0 …… Kansas City Raiders
0 …… Ituron Cavalry
0 …… Texas Tornado
0 …… Fla Jets
0 …… Dallas blitzers Killaz
0 …… New York City Piranhas
0 …… Corleone Hitmen
0 …… Toronto Ravens
0 …… North Haverbrook Rails
0 …… Texas City Tigers
0 …… King Kong's First Dump of the Day
0 …… Montgomery Biscuits
0 …… Mad Mike's Greatest Show On Turf
0 …… The Illuminati
0 …… Pointe-Claire Lightning
0 …… Ground N Pound
0 …… dump city
0 …… Farmersville Sharpshooters
0 …… MIZ-SEC Tiggers
0 …… Ketterquerque Kings
0 …… Brown Bombers
0 …… Hong Kong Businessmen
0 …… Starcraft Broodwars
0 …… New York Hitmen
0 …… JVille Jaguars
0 …… Albuquerque Alamos
0 …… Poke Dots
0 …… Bronson Mizzoura
0 …… Los Angeles Bruins
0 …… Johns Creek Soggy Pups
0 …… scorpion stingers
0 …… Deimon Devil Bats
0 …… Requiem Revolver
0 …… Gulf Shores Fightin' Crabs
0 …… Copenhagen Corsairs
0 …… Minnesota Thunder
0 …… Sydney Misfits
0 …… Slaughterville Devil Bats
0 …… Drunk 'til Dawn
0 …… Detroit Dogs
0 …… Blitzin' Dots
0 …… Mr. Rogers Neighborhood
0 …… Pandora Blueskins
0 …… Virginia Beach Buccaneers
0 …… Dunder Mifflinites
0 …… Orange Pee Wees
0 …… California Stallions
0 …… New Springfield Who
0 …… Kill Devil Hill Flyers
0 …… The Devil's Rejects
0 …… Fat Pandas
0 …… Mexico City Banditos
0 …… Asylum St. Demon Pups
0 …… Bay City Buccaneers
0 …… Spartanburg Panthers
0 …… North-American All-Stars
0 …… We Need Players
0 …… The Well hungGARYians
0 …… Carmel United
0 …… SAS Chicken Stranglers
0 …… Pee Wee Hermans
0 …… Carolina Fatbacks
0 …… Mercyful Fate
0 …… Midlands Legal Eagles
0 …… Warrior Nation
0 …… Pease River PeeWee Pirates
0 …… Indianapolis Speed
0 …… Jim Thorpe Jackals
0 …… Austin Bats
0 …… The Swenglish Association
0 …… Wichita Falls Wildcats
0 …… Monstropolis Mega Men
0 …… Razzy Roughnecks
0 …… Hamilton Hawks
0 …… United Nations' Ball Handlers
0 …… Iowa Hawkeyes
0 …… Big Top Pee Wee
0 …… MNW Bulls
0 …… San Antonio Saviours
0 …… You Want A War? I'll Give You A Whore!!!
0 …… Lisbon Sporting Club
0 …… swagger juke's
0 …… Marlboro Cowboys
0 …… Area 51: Groom Lake Classified's
0 …… Scarborough Ravens
0 …… Sacramento Trojans
0 …… Son's of Anarchy
0 …… Florida State Criminoles
0 …… Santa Fe Greys
0 …… Dakota Dragons
0 …… Rocky Mountain RECON
0 …… The Replacements
0 …… Montreal Shamrocks
0 …… Beograd Plavi Zmajevi
0 …… Florida Gators
0 …… Lingerie Football Ladies
0 …… Hamilton Iron Hammers
0 …… United Nations
0 …… Dyslexik Tedd's Monntana Clubb Football
0 …… J-Town Warriors
0 …… Golden Hill Mini Bones
0 …… West Nile Virus Camel Toe Rangers
0 …… Tampa Bay Rain
0 …… Zilina Warriors
0 …… Excelsior Springs Tigers
0 …… The Mighty Dot Ducks
0 …… Hanau Tornados Epics
0 …… Mr Texas Superheroes
0 …… Las Vegas Huskies
0 …… Manchester City FC
0 …… St. Clair Murder Squad TEST
0 …… CUIABA PORCO
0 …… Sargent Redfish
0 …… 3rd Battalion 8th Marines 2nd Mar Div
0 …… Midwest Pee Wee Warbirds
0 …… Notre Dame Fighting Irish
0 …… Raider Nation
0 …… Vengeance Society