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Originally posted by juane414
Originally posted by beenlurken


- Bort should allow nonboosters back into the game as they were before but he should restrict them, at the very least, from the elite leagues.


That's essentially would having a level requirement would do.

- Full boosters (or close to full boosters) end up mostly in the elite leagues.
- Partial boosters end up mostly in the competitive leagues.
- Non-boosters (or those that boost only a couple times) end up mostly in the normal leagues.



The problem with the OP is that the following will happen:

Elite leagues will remain relatively unchanged with the exception of the bottom tier of teams who will now be unable to recruit crappy dots to replace their CPU dots because they won't be the correct level. The other downside will be for good teams who have a spot or two to offer to a less than fully boosted dot to bring in to either replace a CPU or play a role on special teams. Case in point, my team in Elite has 54 players right now, I'd love to bring in an agent who went inactive for a while as a STOP so he can get back into the game after losing internet for a while. http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4612539&page=2#42135763

With your suggestion he would be ineligible for my team due to age despite the fact that my team will be competitive with or without him. Instead of helping my team with a bit of depth and helping his player with a place to play this season he will be forced into a situation on a team in Competitive. Could they use him there, probably. But why should my Elite team be penalized for helping him out?

In addition to that the normal leagues will be stocked with the worst players and CPUs no matter what you do. However if you artificially force badly built dots who did boost fully out of the worst leagues you leave them no where to play.

Where does this dot find a home?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2167741

His EL, SP value and lolbars don't exactly fill me with enthusiasm for him in a Competitive league so he won't be able to find a gig there but because he is close to fully boosted will be opted out of a normal league where because of the fact that most dots there aren't very good he could be quite successful.

Your suggestion punishes the very best and very worst dots which tbh are the dots who least need further restrictions.

Originally posted by juane414
Originally posted by beenlurken

and a normal league composed of STRICTLY non-boosters.
This is precisely where you continue to misunderstand my suggestion.

Originally posted by beenlurken

Just because a player/team can choose to boost his/their player in the normal/non-booster league to exploit the system to win a championship and be done with the normal/non-booster level FOREVER does not make the normal league anything more than just a non-boost only league.
You yourself are talking about players boosting in the normal leagues, but yet you continue to insist that the normal leagues will be non-boost only leagues. Do you realize the sharp contradiction in what you're saying? If you have players boosting in the normal leagues how can you call them non-boosting leagues?

Seriously? Is this some sort of elaborate troll? Certainly you cant be this dense (I could say fucking stupid but I dont want to continue to distract you from the point at hand... I understand it is a lot for you to follow)...

What you have proposed is a normal league that caters to non-boosters only. Once a non-booster dot boosts in the normal league "at the end of the season that player will be bumped up to a competitive league where he will need to boost more to continue being competitive". Those are you words not mind. Essentially YOU are proposing a non-booster league only with the option of a one time boost/exploit of the league and then removal the following season. How do you not see this??????


Originally posted by juane414
Originally posted by beenlurken

Again, you continue to ignore how that would make the game even more restrictive by limiting the normal level teams to only recruiting players that have not boosted. It does nothing to help the teams that need the most help.
The only reason why there are teams that need so much help is because there is such a huge gap between the teams that only have a few boosters and the teams that have rosters full of boosters. If you put the teams with 50 max boosted players into the elite leagues, then the teams in the normal leagues won't be so far behind and in such great need of help. Besides, what is so fun about buying talent to make your team better? What about improving strategy? On a side note... are you a Yankees fan?



The main reason teams need help is because there are not enough dots to fill them. Here is the first normal minor league that I randomly clicked on... look at how many teams are riddled with CPU dots. The reason they cannot compete is a 10000x more related to that than having a full roster and being outleveled.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/league.pl?league_id=103


I know now that I am wasting my time with you... the only reason I keep responding is so that those that are capable of understanding may not be persuaded by your lack of experience/knowledge of this game.

Oh yea... if Bort is considering this than hell yes I think he has half a brain... what kind of support is that... as if he always makes the right decision.

Thread delivers. Thanks guys.

Originally posted by beenlurken
Seriously? Is this some sort of elaborate troll? Certainly you cant be this dense (I could say fucking stupid but I dont want to continue to distract you from the point at hand... I understand it is a lot for you to follow)...

What you have proposed is a normal league that caters to non-boosters only. Once a non-booster dot boosts in the normal league "at the end of the season that player will be bumped up to a competitive league where he will need to boost more to continue being competitive". Those are you words not mind. Essentially YOU are proposing a non-booster league only with the option of a one time boost/exploit of the league and then removal the following season. How do you not see this??????
You know, this is why some people are beginning to feel unwelcome at GLB. GLB is already catered to boosters in many ways. When somebody shares a simple idea to try and make things a little more enjoyable and competitive, they are called F-ing stupid. It's unfortunate that you are clearly incapable of having a civil discussion, and that you feel it's necessary to resort to calling those who disagree with you "f-ing stupid."

Let me elaborate on my statement that you quoted. If a player creates a dot and only boosts them once or twice during the first season, that dot will stay in the normal league. If that dot is boosted three times at the beginning of the season and three times at the end, that dot will be promoted to the elite league. If the dot is boosted around three or four times, he will end up in a competitive league. A dot will not get promoted to the next level for boosting once or twice.

The reason why the change to required levels is needed because with the current system, teams get demoted intentionally so that they can get into a normal or competitive league and then sign a roster full of "elite" max-boosted players and completely squash the teams full of non-boosters and partial boosters. If someone buys $10 worth of flex to give boosting a try, and they get completely squashed in a normal league by teams full of elite players, do you really think that person will be motivated to buy anymore flex? No! If, on the other hand, a player buys $10 worth of flex and feels like their team was somewhat competitive that person will be encouraged to buy more flex and boost again to help their team make it to the next level. As the game currently stands, you either have to try and get your non-boosted player on an elite team (which rarely happens) or you have to get lucky and get into a league with no maxed out elite rosters (which rarely happens) or you have to spend a lot of money to max boost every season (which many people simply cannot afford).

If the suggested levels are changed to required levels, then there won't be huge gaps between max boosted teams and non boosted teams in each league. Rosters will be more balanced and games will be more competitive in each league like they currently are in the World League.

Originally posted by merenoise

In addition to that the normal leagues will be stocked with the worst players and CPUs no matter what you do. However if you artificially force badly built dots who did boost fully out of the worst leagues you leave them no where to play.

Where does this dot find a home?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2167741

His EL, SP value and lolbars don't exactly fill me with enthusiasm for him in a Competitive league so he won't be able to find a gig there but because he is close to fully boosted will be opted out of a normal league where because of the fact that most dots there aren't very good he could be quite successful.
Good question. Here's another good question. Has this dot found a home with the leagues the way they are now? No. My suggestion will help this player find a home because the Elite teams will not be allowed to get low level players just to fill a roster spot, so those Elite teams will have to hire the poorly built boosted players. This will allow the lower level players to play in the lower level leagues where they belong. What this means is that whether a dot is a starter or a bench warmer will no longer depend on how much the dot has been boosted (which is how the game currently works), but will depend on how well the player is built (as the game should work).

Originally posted by juane414
You know, this is why some people are beginning to feel unwelcome at GLB. GLB is already catered to boosters in many ways. When somebody shares a simple idea to try and make things a little more enjoyable and competitive, they are called F-ing stupid. It's unfortunate that you are clearly incapable of having a civil discussion, and that you feel it's necessary to resort to calling those who disagree with you "f-ing stupid."



Originally posted by juane414
Let me elaborate on my statement that you quoted. If a player creates a dot and only boosts them once or twice during the first season, that dot will stay in the normal league. If that dot is boosted three times at the beginning of the season and three times at the end, that dot will be promoted to the elite league. If the dot is boosted around three or four times, he will end up in a competitive league. A dot will not get promoted to the next level for boosting once or twice.

Now you are taking steps back because you know I am right. Maybe we are getting somewhere and you finally are seeing that your wrong. Regardless, the bold is not what your comment stated... you are merely cherry picking that other dudes spin on your rationale and running with it now in an attempt to save face.

Show me a league where a team has intentionally demoted to "squash a normal league". This just does not happen anymore. The only reason teams are dominating normal leagues is because the PROMOTION system sucks and >half the normal leagues are full of teams with with a ton of CPU's.

Why do you keep ignoring the FACT that the problem with normal leagues is that there are not enough HUMAN players to fill them up? Why do you keep erroneously insisting that it is because of level gaps? Do you just pretend that I didnt post this...

Originally posted by beenlurken
The main reason teams need help is because there are not enough dots to fill them. Here is the first normal minor league that I randomly clicked on... look at how many teams are riddled with CPU dots. The reason they cannot compete is a 10000x more related to that than having a full roster and being outleveled.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/league.pl?league_id=1039

On a side note: Are you an Obama fan?

Originally posted by juane414
What this means is that whether a dot is a starter or a bench warmer will no longer depend on how much the dot has been boosted (which is how the game currently works), but will depend on how well the player is built (as the game should work).


/thread right here

This is just about a non-booster's (who has a chip on their shoulder from having their dots play second fiddle to paying customers) selfish desire to want to start for a competitive team...

Originally posted by beenlurken
Now you are taking steps back because you know I am right. Maybe we are getting somewhere and you finally are seeing that your wrong. Regardless, the bold is not what your comment stated... you are merely cherry picking that other dudes spin on your rationale and running with it now in an attempt to save face.

Show me a league where a team has intentionally demoted to "squash a normal league". This just does not happen anymore. The only reason teams are dominating normal leagues is because the PROMOTION system sucks and >half the normal leagues are full of teams with with a ton of CPU's.

Why do you keep ignoring the FACT that the problem with normal leagues is that there are not enough HUMAN players to fill them up? Why do you keep erroneously insisting that it is because of level gaps? Do you just pretend that I didnt post this...
Why do you keep calling you're opinions facts? Just because you think you're right about something does not make it a fact. And why do you keep trying to make my argument about normal leagues and non-boosters? Beginning with my first post I've made it clear that my primary concern is for the people who spend some money on GLB and get no real gain. I'm not advocating for non-boosters. I'm advocating for the middle guy. Apparently you have some presuppositions about non-boosters that are clouding your judgment.

Originally posted by beenlurken
On a side note: Are you an Obama fan?
No, actually. There are very few politicians that I am a "fan" of.


Originally posted by beenlurken
This is just about a non-booster's (who has a chip on their shoulder from having their dots play second fiddle to paying customers) selfish desire to want to start for a competitive team...
Again, you're allowing yourself to be deceived by your faulty presuppositions. I am not a non-booster and have actually spent close to $100 on this game. I'm perfectly fine with playing second fiddle for paying customers and I'm perfectly fine with my dots being backups. I'm just trying to explain why I have chosen not to buy any new flex for a while, and offering a suggestion that might convince me (and probably many others) to start buying flex again.

Please, stop trying to make this about something it's not. It's not about my selfishness, nor is it about giving special treatment to non-boosters. Perhaps you're getting confused with a different thread?

Originally posted by juane414

Why do you keep calling you're opinions facts? Just because you think you're right about something does not make it a fact. And why do you keep trying to make my argument about normal leagues and non-boosters? Beginning with my first post I've made it clear that my primary concern is for the people who spend some money on GLB and get no real gain. I'm not advocating for non-boosters. I'm advocating for the middle guy. Apparently you have some presuppositions about non-boosters that are clouding your judgment.

It is not my opinion that normal leagues are full of CPU's... it is FACT. Show me otherwise if you are going to make ridiculous comments like the above...

And again, the way to get the partial and non boosters back into the game is to allow the older partial/non boosters to play in the lower minor levels (similar to how it was before ABL but restricting them from elite and the tournaments). Obviously Bort is losing out on some cash with ABL and killing those types of players... it should have been expected.

Again, whether you like to admit it or not our original discussion began with you suggesting a solution that would have created a non-boosting league. Again, your system (even the way you claim it to be now) just restricts an already too restricted system by having age AND level qualifications. Again, it is disappointing that after all of this you still can not see how your solution hurts the game not help it.

Question... do you think the overall competitiveness of the minor leagues is better now with the restricted ABL or do you think it was better before when partial/non-boosters were a much larger part of the teams in those leagues?

Originally posted by beenlurken

And again, the way to get the partial and non boosters back into the game is to allow the older partial/non boosters to play in the lower minor levels (similar to how it was before ABL but restricting them from elite and the tournaments). Obviously Bort is losing out on some cash with ABL and killing those types of players... it should have been expected.


I'm sure it was expected, unless he's just really dense.

Originally posted by TheGreatPuma
Originally posted by beenlurken


And again, the way to get the partial and non boosters back into the game is to allow the older partial/non boosters to play in the lower minor levels (similar to how it was before ABL but restricting them from elite and the tournaments). Obviously Bort is losing out on some cash with ABL and killing those types of players... it should have been expected.


I'm sure it was expected, unless he's just really dense.

I see what you did there!!

Me too... I just didnt want to be accused of claiming my opinion was fact again.

You should give up on this thread like I did, been. It's obvious that the op and a few others who don't understand this game don't get it nor will they ever.

Originally posted by beenlurken
:Seriously? Is this some sort of elaborate troll? Certainly you cant be this dense (I could say fucking stupid but I dont want to continue to distract you from the point at hand... I understand it is a lot for you to follow)...

What you have proposed is a normal league that caters to non-boosters only. Once a non-booster dot boosts in the normal league "at the end of the season that player will be bumped up to a competitive league where he will need to boost more to continue being competitive". Those are you words not mind. Essentially YOU are proposing a non-booster league only with the option of a one time boost/exploit of the league and then removal the following season. How do you not see this??????:

So everyone that agrees with you is smart and everyone they doesn't is stupid.
If you don't like the suggestion do the SMART thing and -1 give an explanation and quit attacking everyone who likes the idea that the system as is is broken and the tweaks aren't benefitting enough people!
For 21 seasons Bort and friends have fiddled and tweaked and everyone has suffered!
If it worked last season for 5% then maybe 10% will like it this year.
I spent the last 10+ seasons just sitting watching my dots and hoping that the game would settle down and I could find something that would work. This season I decided to make some suggestions. I may be right or wrong by I do have the right to my opinion just as you have your right. Bashing everyone who disagrees with you is bullying and I think there is already a RULE against it!

Originally posted by rocomo
So everyone that agrees with you is smart and everyone they doesn't is stupid.
If you don't like the suggestion do the SMART thing and -1 give an explanation and quit attacking everyone who likes the idea that the system as is is broken and the tweaks aren't benefitting enough people!
For 21 seasons Bort and friends have fiddled and tweaked and everyone has suffered!
If it worked last season for 5% then maybe 10% will like it this year.
I spent the last 10+ seasons just sitting watching my dots and hoping that the game would settle down and I could find something that would work. This season I decided to make some suggestions. I may be right or wrong by I do have the right to my opinion just as you have your right. Bashing everyone who disagrees with you is bullying and I think there is already a RULE against it!

You stalking me! You made an misguided/uninformed suggestion about returners and everyone (myself included) tried to tell you how wrong your were and you continued to fight it (what do you expect people to do when they explain something to you and you refuse to listen/comprehend). At least it seemed you came to understand how foolish that suggestion was.

I will be the first to admit when I am wrong... that said, I am not wrong here. juane has had his suggestion ripped to shreds by several of us in this thread and continues to fight a losing battle. His only support is that of non-bosters (partial boosters are just the same) just because they want their dots to see action outside of the ULU again (I dont blame them but juane solution is terrible is explained over and over again in this thread).

That said, I am not trying to dissuade anyone from making suggestions, however if when people starting showing you the flaws in your suggestion and that it wont work it is much better off to do what you did and let it go as a learning experience instead of foolishly/naively fighting an embarrassing losing battle. There are only so many ways one can try to explain something to someone not capable of understanding before one gets frustrated.

Regardless, I gave my -1 and I have given plenty of explanation (as has others) and still some do not understand. Its hard not to call a spade a spade.