Warrior General Games

Fwiw to elaborate further:

M. Moore compared to Parker, last year. Both had 140+ carries so plenty of data on both for comparison.

Moore had 140 carries for 749 effective yards. He had a fantastic 51% success rate, good for 6th in the league. He also had 139 DYAR (14th) and a DVOA of 14.3% (6th). Moore was also effective as a receiver. Pittsburgh threw him 53 passes, and he caught 40 of them for 330 effective yards for a 75% catch rate and positive DVOA (4.6%).

Parker had 209 carries for 789 effective yards. He had an atrocious 41% success rate, which was 41st in the league (out of 49 players with 100+ carries). He had 46 DYAR (28th) and a DVOA of -2.9% (33rd,), which is below replacement level. Pittsburgh never really used him as a receiver, so he doesn't have a large sample size to work with. Only 11 passes were targeted at him, and he caught 3 of them for -29 effective yards (lol) for a 36% catch rate and -72.9% DVOA.

and fwiw, his 2007 was even worse, although he was decent as a receiver (although still worse than his backup, davenport) so idk wtf changed

Yeah, Parker is terrible, no doubt about it.

I'd still take him over any HB on Seattle's roster, though.

Asheme, as someone who is a Seahawk fan (I think), can you explain to me the hatred for Julius Jones? (Or anyone else for that matter)

I'm not trying to claim he's in the top 10 or even top 20, but he did get 4.4 ypc last season when the Seahawks fielded p much their entire second string offense. Yet, everyone around here (I'm also near Seattle) seems to hate him pationately.

Originally posted by jvguballa
Asheme, as someone who is a Seahawk fan (I think), can you explain to me the hatred for Julius Jones? (Or anyone else for that matter)

I'm not trying to claim he's in the top 10 or even top 20, but he did get 4.4 ypc last season when the Seahawks fielded p much their entire second string offense. Yet, everyone around here (I'm also near Seattle) seems to hate him pationately.
ypc is a meaningless statistic.

Jones had 158 carries, Matt Morris had 132.

Jones had -9 DYAR (42nd), -10.1% DVOA (43rd), and a 39% success rate (46th).

Morris had 38 DYAR (32nd), -1.1% DVOA (30th), and a 45% success rate (30th).

Morris was also p good out of the backfield, while Jones was one of the worst in the league

Originally posted by jvguballa
Asheme, as someone who is a Seahawk fan (I think), can you explain to me the hatred for Julius Jones? (Or anyone else for that matter)

I'm not trying to claim he's in the top 10 or even top 20, but he did get 4.4 ypc last season when the Seahawks fielded p much their entire second string offense. Yet, everyone around here (I'm also near Seattle) seems to hate him pationately.
It's complicated. I see him as the result of a ton of horrible management decisions (and it also doesn't help that he's one of the worst backs in the league), but most see him as not-Shaun Alexander (which I think is a good thing, but that's another topic).

Originally posted by DrunkenOne
ypc is a meaningless statistic.

Jones had 158 carries, Matt Morris had 132.

Jones had -9 DYAR (42nd), -10.1% DVOA (43rd), and a 39% success rate (46th).

Morris had 38 DYAR (32nd), -1.1% DVOA (30th), and a 45% success rate (30th).

Morris was also p good out of the backfield, while Jones was one of the worst in the league
YPC is pretty pointless. All it does is tell you which HBs you should take a closer look at (and a decent indicator of big play ability). It's Maurice Morris btw, and he was 10000000000000x better than Jones.

Originally posted by DrunkenOne

"might be." Jones, Benson, and jamal lewis were also awful last year. All of them also played for 3 of the worst teams in the league last year. Seattle and Cinci both lost their QBs and started bums, while Seattle also started randoms at WR. Parker played for a super bowl champion and was significantly less effective than Mewelde Moore. So ya, its close, except no one thinks that Julius Jones is any good, whereas a lot of ppl consider Parker a top 10 back.

Lewis is finished. I'd take James Davis right now over him. At least Cleveland has some semblance of an OL.

Originally posted by DrunkenOne
ypc is a meaningless statistic.

Jones had 158 carries, Matt Morris had 132.

Jones had -9 DYAR (42nd), -10.1% DVOA (43rd), and a 39% success rate (46th).

Morris had 38 DYAR (32nd), -1.1% DVOA (30th), and a 45% success rate (30th).

Morris was also p good out of the backfield, while Jones was one of the worst in the league

Where does one find DYAR and DVOA? Admitedly I had to google just to see what they even meant.

Originally posted by joemiken
Lewis is finished. I'd take James Davis right now over him. At least Cleveland has some semblance of an OL.

James Davis is a great Yahoo nugget. He's ranked like 1500+ or something stupid like that by default so if you're doing a live online Yahoo draft you can get him really late if you want a flyer.

Originally posted by jvguballa
Where does one find DYAR and DVOA? Admitedly I had to google just to see what they even meant.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/info/methods

DVOA is a method of evaluating teams, units, or players. It takes every single play during the NFL season and compares each one to a league-average baseline based on situation. DVOA measures not just yardage, but yardage towards a first down: five yards on third-and-4 are worth more than five yards on first-and-10 and much more than five yards on third-and-12. Red zone plays are worth more than other plays. Performance is also adjusted for the quality of the opponent. DVOA is a percentage, so a team with a DVOA of 10.0% is 10 percent better than the average team, and a quarterback with a DVOA of -20.0% is 20 percent worse than the average quarterback. Because DVOA measures scoring, defenses are better when they are negative. For more detail, read below.

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Originally posted by DrunkenOne
Fwiw to elaborate further:

M. Moore compared to Parker, last year. Both had 140+ carries so plenty of data on both for comparison.

Moore had 140 carries for 749 effective yards. He had a fantastic 51% success rate, good for 6th in the league. He also had 139 DYAR (14th) and a DVOA of 14.3% (6th). Moore was also effective as a receiver. Pittsburgh threw him 53 passes, and he caught 40 of them for 330 effective yards for a 75% catch rate and positive DVOA (4.6%).

Parker had 209 carries for 789 effective yards. He had an atrocious 41% success rate, which was 41st in the league (out of 49 players with 100+ carries). He had 46 DYAR (28th) and a DVOA of -2.9% (33rd,), which is below replacement level. Pittsburgh never really used him as a receiver, so he doesn't have a large sample size to work with. Only 11 passes were targeted at him, and he caught 3 of them for -29 effective yards (lol) for a 36% catch rate and -72.9% DVOA.

lol-72.9

Originally posted by joemiken
I'd take James Davis right now over him.

I would too, but not until he's got the gig. He's on my Watch List.

i like willie this year...last year they had a bad schedule, this year not so much.


james davis for sure as a sleeper also caddy/maroney.

favorite WR sleeper is justin gage who surprisingly went high here. undrafted or drafted late by me in a bunch of leagues.

TE some dude from GB named Jermichael Finley who is supposedly a freak and Rodgers is quoted as saying he is uncoverable.

Defense: GB super easy schedule

Originally posted by PLAYMAKERS

TE some dude from GB named Jermichael Finley who is supposedly a freak and Rodgers is quoted as saying he is uncoverable.


I haven't been bold enough to pick this guy up in any of my drafts... I'm keeping a close eye on him though!